StarCraft

[DrunkenMaster]

Does anyone here play SC or plan to play SC2?

I play often and play under HeadGames.

I was also wondering if anyone here knows the details surrounding the lawsuits between GW and Blizzard?

I only know that Blizzard was forced to alter SC and WarCraft names.

[Wakim]

Yeah, blizzard got lazy a couple of times

I mean, taking 90% of your material from someone else, mixing it up and adding your own stuff is one thing nobody can charge you for Eventhough everybody know you stole the ideas (kinda like the The DaVinci code and many many other "best seller" things including windows and such) nobody can charge you for it.

On more than a couple ocasions though Blizzard actually used GW names for the things they took from GW.

Gyrocopter, Steamtank, other such things.

I mentioned those two becuase i haven`t cared about blizzard in ages and that`s the last thing i remember (they changed the names in TFT to flying machine and Siegetank or warmachine or something).


I am planing on playing SC2 but it`s a love/hate thing. I`ll enjoy it for a while, hate it for a while, ejnoy it again.

What makes it harder for me to forgive BLZ is the insanely dumbed population that at every other minute has to yell STARCRAFT CLONE or WARCRAFT CLONE at every single game. Even game reviewers had thise disease for 5 or so years.

If it weren`t for that fact i could forgive Blizzard for plagiarising so much

I couldn`t forgive them for some other game related elements though There is a reason you need 50/100 click per minute to get your units to move the way they should and 100/200 to get them to actually win a tourney.

[Captain Slow]

planning to gte a copy of starcraft II when it hits the shelves over here. i dont really have any SC exp, other than what i know through people and sites. but im likeing the look of the story, and at the end of the day that is what compells me to buy a game, the story, after all, if the storys crap, then no matter how good the game plays. I personally will think the game Fails at life.
but, i myself could not help but draw comparisions between Starcraft / Warcraft and the 40K / warhammer universes. and again, i agree when there are these people screaming STARCRAFT CLONE!!! etc etc. but then again, i generaly tend to filter those people out of a conversation...ah, igonrance is truely bliss. ^^

[Wakim]

Blz stories aren`t that great if you pay attention

But the way they tell them makes everything better

Kinda like the storytellers of old :P it doesn`t matter how silly it is, if you captivate the audience they`ll love it :P

[Captain Slow]

Exactly.

[TheKiller333]

I've just been playing Roleplay on Starcraft for a total of 6 and a half hours. Yeah, I still play it. =P

[Four20edLogan]

I re-bought it last year, but haven't really played it to much. I'm more of a Warcraft 3 player

[Cirative]

I play StarCraft on occasion, and I'm looking forward to StarCraft II.

I used to play WarCraft II, and a little World of Warcraft but that's about it.

I think Blizzard makes awesome, fun games, but they definitely stole the majority of their stuff from GW.

[TheKiller333]

WoW has ruined them tbh. Sure, they get lots of money. But anyone that plays WoW doesn't care what other games Blizzard bring out. So they've kind of stunted their own market there.

[r4wr89]

hmm. i am convinced SC is one of the greatest RTS games ever made haha. yes, i play bnet and just did yesterday evening actually, my username is somethingwitty. [don't forget the period at the end]

anyhow, yea WOW has really got this negative connotation now...sighs.

[Cirative]

WoW is an incredibly vast, diverse, fun and graphically gorgeous game. Plus it was innovatively developed with retro computers in mind. Absolute genius. I love WoW, I just don't have to time to play it, which negates a purpose in paying the monthly fee for me. And unfortunately, many people play WoW without ever playing any other WarCraft/StarCraft game.

[TheKiller333]

Graphically Gorgeous? Take that statement back. Have you ever SEEN Crysis?! Oblivion?! CoD4!? It's nothing compared to them! And personally I would not spend money on a game that has so many people obsessed with it! Sure, private servers are ok. But people on this game insist they are the best, and it is just a reflection that what people are like now. I'm not having a go. I'm ranting as I usually do. That game is pure ugly next to some, and I understand that many people can't afford the PCs to run them (Myself included.) But I totally disagree with all the aspects of WoW. If it had gone down a different route - Eg, not Pay By Play and Not terribly obsessive, I would have bought it.

[Cirative]

Originally Posted by TheKiller333

Graphically Gorgeous? Take that statement back. Have you ever SEEN Crysis?! Oblivion?! CoD4!? It's nothing compared to them! And personally I would not spend money on a game that has so many people obsessed with it! Sure, private servers are ok. But people on this game insist they are the best, and it is just a reflection that what people are like now. I'm not having a go. I'm ranting as I usually do. That game is pure ugly next to some, and I understand that many people can't afford the PCs to run them (Myself included.) But I totally disagree with all the aspects of WoW. If it had gone down a different route - Eg, not Pay By Play and Not terribly obsessive, I would have bought it.

Uh, all games have the potential to be "obsessive". WoW just happens to have so many subscribers that it sneaks by. Let's not forget EverQuest and the people who literally were addicted to it and had to seek professional help. And EQ is friggin' TERRIBLE! And a further note, Dance Dance Revolution is equally as "addictive" to some people.

Never heard of Crysis, but Oblivion and CoD4 are alright.

For a fantasy game built in such a unique universe like Warcraft, the graphics are beautiful, especially the homeland of elves.

[Warmaster Romulas]

for am MMORPG the graphics are stunning
the other games have online play but you wont run into as many people as you would in WOW

[Wakim]

On the graphics bit

Well drawn > well built.

WoW might have 100 polis per model but the skins change everything

The right colors and patterns go a friggin long way. People always forget that and build insane engines (earth 2160 anyone?) but you poor skins and schemes.

Yeah, you might say it`s cheap, and yeah, it actually is, but it works perfectly

[Cirative]

Originally Posted by Warmaster Romulas

for am MMORPG the graphics are stunning
the other games have online play but you wont run into as many people as you would in WOW

I completely agree.

Remember, there's a significant difference between online play and MMO.

[Ikarus]

Originally Posted by Cirative

I play StarCraft on occasion, and I'm looking forward to StarCraft II.

I used to play WarCraft II, and a little World of Warcraft but that's about it.

I think Blizzard makes awesome, fun games, but they definitely stole the majority of their stuff from GW.

Originally Posted by Wakim

Yeah, blizzard got lazy a couple of times

I mean, taking 90% of your material from someone else, mixing it up and adding your own stuff is one thing nobody can charge you for Eventhough everybody know you stole the ideas (kinda like the The DaVinci code and many many other "best seller" things including windows and such) nobody can charge you for it.

On more than a couple ocasions though Blizzard actually used GW names for the things they took from GW.

Gyrocopter, Steamtank, other such things.

I mentioned those two becuase i haven`t cared about blizzard in ages and that`s the last thing i remember (they changed the names in TFT to flying machine and Siegetank or warmachine or something).


I am planing on playing SC2 but it`s a love/hate thing. I`ll enjoy it for a while, hate it for a while, ejnoy it again.

What makes it harder for me to forgive BLZ is the insanely dumbed population that at every other minute has to yell STARCRAFT CLONE or WARCRAFT CLONE at every single game. Even game reviewers had thise disease for 5 or so years.

If it weren`t for that fact i could forgive Blizzard for plagiarising so much

I couldn`t forgive them for some other game related elements though There is a reason you need 50/100 click per minute to get your units to move the way they should and 100/200 to get them to actually win a tourney.

Andy Chambers- Lead designer for 40k, is now the lead designer for Starcraft 2.

Hes the man that wrote 40k 3rd and 4th edition ? , Eldar, Orks, GorkaMorka, and everything else clever that made 40k good. Now he left years ago, GW sucked, thats why you see the fall of 40k.

And hes going to make SC2 way better than dawn of war could ever be.



I cant wait for custom 40k games on STARCRAFT 2 BTW. Would be much funner than DoW

[Wakim]

Ikky, you`re a jerk right here: "way better than dawn of war could ever be"

Sorry emperor, but keep it to one game

It`s like saying Orks are better than Eldar.

And why did you quote me and cirative if you just wanted to praise Andy?

The fact that Andy works on SC2 doesn`t change the fact that they ballantly stole a great deal of the fluffy ideas that went into their last 9 games (wc + sc + wow).

But back to the point, you do realise that there are a lot of people that were and will be more impressed by the DoW series than the SC series Yeah, there will be a whole lot more that will prefer SC ofc. but the way you worded things just sounded pretty fanboyish.

Only two kinds of people are allowed to generalise: fanboys and politicians i prefer you being neither.

[masterofweirdness]

Originally Posted by Wakim

Ikky, you`re a jerk right here: "way better than dawn of war could ever be"

Sorry emperor, but keep it to one game

It`s like saying Orks are better than Eldar.

And why did you quote me and cirative if you just wanted to praise Andy?

The fact that Andy works on SC2 doesn`t change the fact that they ballantly stole a great deal of the fluffy ideas that went into their last 9 games (wc + sc + wow).

But back to the point, you do realise that there are a lot of people that were and will be more impressed by the DoW series than the SC series Yeah, there will be a whole lot more that will prefer SC ofc. but the way you worded things just sounded pretty fanboyish.

Only two kinds of people are allowed to generalise: fanboys and politicians i prefer you being neither.

Hmm... I have this feeling that SCII will be a better (thats right, better) game for different reasons.

DoW was good because of its new take on combat... highly offesnive and never ending warfare with squad based combat...

SCII won't do much new... it won't have a fancy graphics engine. It won't have a super cool new feature, it will simply own because it will be the most balanced game engine ever thought of. Every little tweak will be completed, every tiny damage rating will be tested and retested, and then some. And then... it will hit the markets and break sales records.

And then, two-three years later after the expack has come out and people have gotten bored of normal starcraft... all the juicy mods will come... all I want of course will be DOTA in Starcraft... if it happens... lol.

And yes, Wakim, Blizzard ripped off GW... we all, being 40k fans, know that... but, a lot of the story line is pretty unique... and I would say that by now... most of it has become different enough to give blizzard some slack.

Besides... blizzard is a better company than GW...

[Wakim]

Actually the post you quoted has nothing to do with that it`s just me getting fed up with hearing YAY andy YAY blizz YAY sc2 AND boo DoW all at once whenever Ikky starts talking about either DoW or SC2 or Blz

[Vishnoff]

if i remember correctly GW never sued Blizzard. If I am correct GW backed out of the project near the end and they would not give Blizzard the IP rights. SO Blizzard was stuck with an almost complete product that they could not use, so they changed a few things,took some stuff out and called it warcraft/starcraft. I believe Blizzard paid royalties to GW, but a lawsuit was never filed (and if it was filed it would be a matter of public record).

Now as for which game is better...
Dawn of War is great, awesome graphics (for an RTS), good plot, excellent representation on the table top game, etc. Soul Storm when it comes out will also be awesome, even though it is the last installment in the Dawn of War series.

I have seen in game footage and the teaser trailer for Star Craft 2 and it looks mind blowing. Yes I believe it will do better than dawn of war (Starcraft has a far bigger following in th video game community, than Dawn of War can even hope to have), and it may be better than Dawn of War, but I must remind you it is not Dawn of War. It is not Warhammer 40K done RTS style. It is STARCRAFT.

Now, We can sit here all day long and argue about which game is better, and who is wrong for having whatever opinion they have. but really can't we do something more productive?

[kenshin620]

well, SC doesn't really interest me but well even for a 40k fan I'll still praise Blizzards work for a game that managed to become a sport in SK (course my head kinda blew when a SC player at school claimed that nids were created after zergs). anyways I think though that no matter how much you argue about 40k/SC nothing is gonna change. Though I must say, SC also has manage to make some new words in our gaming socioty. *grabs nid models* Alright nids, lets zerg them!

[Ikarus]

Final statement,

Why I Quoted - >

Andy -> made 40k good
Andy -> Bring 40k Ideas into SC.

pretty much why i served.

I just don't give DoW much of my 2cents is all except franchise and visuals.
Which is why I bought all three games, and have them...

I do give it to TOTAL WAR SERIES, SUPREME COMMANDER, Company of Heroes (which is almost like DoW, but rated better).





Sorry for my fanboy behavior.