Adaptus Custodes

[Cagarner]

Ive have decided to convert some Adaptus Custodes, as i feel i now am skilled enough with greenstuff etc. So, I found some rules on another forum, but wandered what people thought, and what would be some good alterations.

Right, Here Are the rules so far

Pts Ws Bs S T W I A Ld Sv
Custodian 50 5 4 4 4 1 4 2 9 2+

All Custodians after entering the elite ranks of the Guard receives a [Guardian Spear]. These are ancestral weapons created in the golden era of the Imperium, taking the form of an ornate spear with a Bolter at their tip. They give a +2 Strength bonus to their wielder and count as a power weapon. Also the custodian may use the bolter in the shooting phase.

[DeAd_cOmMaNdO]

wow 50 points? thats steep

Ive never been keen on the idea of custodes being marines (which they onviously are now since the blansphemous HH books), but 50 points for what you gave really does seem a lot.
compare them with normal grey knight marines + artificer armour. is that really worth 2 grey knights? fair enough you gave the custodes power weapons, but theyre almost the same points as GK terminators, which have a lot more rules on their side.

would custodes be fearless while in the palace? im pretty sure they would

[Inquisitor Rosenadel]

I suggest that all interested in this go to here to see Dave Taylor's Adeptus Custodes army. It rocks!

http://us.games-workshop.com/games/4...sy/default.htm


He just used Space Marines with Grey Knight allies. And I think that would work pretty well!

[DeAd_cOmMaNdO]

yeah. seen those models. i love the pre heresy style terminators. And the colours are just so cool - who wouldnt want an army in those colors?

[Torquemada Coteaz]

Custodians are not marines in the sense they don't have a primarch who gives them gene-seed. I believe they are rumored to have Emperor's Genes or were engineered directly like the primarchs were, though much less modded and more mass produced (they are still "modified" humans though)

my sugestion:
Pts Ws Bs S T W I A Ld Sv
Custodian 50 5 5 4 4 1 4 2 10 2+

fearless

All Custodians after entering the elite ranks of the Guard receives a [Guardian Spear]. These are ancestral weapons created in the golden era of the Imperium, taking the form of an ornate spear with a Bolter at their tip. They give a +2 Strength bonus to their wielder and count as a power weapon. Also the custodian may use the bolter in the shooting phase. Bolter counts as an extra CC weapon in assault and does not need true grit.


perhaps bump them to I5 as well, and/or either make their AS rerollable or give them a 6+ inv

[Cagarner]

Ah, nice. ill go with that improvement. Im planning to paint them the same colour scheme though. They look amazing.

[Torquemada Coteaz]

haha custodes have one color scheme, really :P
so I don't think there's much choice on that side.
just for reference i'll also justify my changes:
fearless - well, they are the best of the best and toughest of the though (exception is primarchs and emperor) so they should be fearless
which is also why i bumped them to Ld10.
they are really well trained and are supposedly "better than marines" so WS and BS should both be 5.
the rest is pretty good the same, unless you want to make them 2 wound monsters =/

[experiment 626]

or you could just do what dave tylor did and use them the "counts as" rule?!

he uses them as grey knights as this is the closest rules set to acctually representing them fairly well!
this way, you can also legally use them in say tournaments and stores so that all that hard work doesn't simply sit on the shelf!!!

cheers!

[Torquemada Coteaz]

well it's always nice to have house rules to back them up, and play the real custodes way
like you would use your chaos LT with house rules to make a predictable daemonhost, but would use actual Dhost rules in tournies.

Oh I'd also like to add that I'm pretty sure custodians have always been gold metal red cloth? i could be wrong.
But adrian Smith's depictions of the legio custodes for th sabertooth HH game were REALLY nice. some of his best for 40k. (right under the Emp/Horus duel)

[Cagarner]

Well actually; Pre heracy Custodes were crimson red, and after they simply wore black robes because they felt they had failed the emperor. Its only Dave Taylor who thought of painting them gold. Probably because they are that colour scheme on the sabretooth games cards.

[Torquemada Coteaz]

oh ok.
I couldn't tell, because the "earliest" artwork for custodes i know was that impreial sanctum piece in the rulebook
which is black and white >_<
i still say it looks better with gold
but black is good too. I don't like red plate armour, its just icky

EDIT: I can't blame the change in color, it DOES look better than waht i can imagine for "red" armour.
40k evolves quite a bit though, i mean the emperor's had metallic turqoise, gold, white, black and other armour colors in the past art/models/scultpures and has wielded everything from storm bolters to being a terminator

[Cagarner]

Yea, im gonna stick with the gold and red because it looks soooo good.

[Torquemada Coteaz]

If i ever do one I'll probably do some guys in gold and some in black to see how it turns out
or even mix... black arm/leg/chest/shoulder, gold trim, knee/elbow pads, and details
8D

[experiment 626]

overall those 'house rules' versions are quite sane! if anything, they might be a bit over-priced as for 50pts/model all you're really getting is a terminator (minus the 5+ invulnerable!) with a S6 power weapon...
i really can't see any half-decent player out-right refusing to let you pay a rather inflated pts cost, considering you're not even getting 'fearless' in the deal!!!

IIRC, it's only the custodies who guard the inner passages to the emperor's throne room who wear full armour. most wear a black and red heavy carapace armour...

cheers!

[Killermoose]

Some good rules there! I think I may try them out!

[Torquemada Coteaz]

Originally Posted by experiment 626

overall those 'house rules' versions are quite sane! if anything, they might be a bit over-priced as for 50pts/model all you're really getting is a terminator (minus the 5+ invulnerable!) with a S6 power weapon...
i really can't see any half-decent player out-right refusing to let you pay a rather inflated pts cost, considering you're not even getting 'fearless' in the deal!!!

IIRC, it's only the custodies who guard the inner passages to the emperor's throne room who wear full armour. most wear a black and red heavy carapace armour...

cheers!

well, if the power/terminator armoued ones are even more rare then more justification for the rules.
and i've never heard of flak armour custodians, are you sure your not talking about terran regiments/palace guards/pratorian IG?

[Killermoose]

Perhaps thats what Custodes where while not on duty (if they are ever off duty)

[Torquemada Coteaz]

haha so they are SM/custodes stats with carapace armour?

Terminators:
Pts Ws Bs S T W I A Ld Sv
Terminator 86 5 5 4 4 2 5 3 10 2+/5+

All Custodians after entering the elite ranks of the Guard receives a [Guardian Spear]. These are ancestral weapons created in the golden era of the Imperium, taking the form of an ornate spear with a Bolter at their tip. They give a +2 Strength bonus to their wielder and count as a power weapon. Also the custodian may use the bolter in the shooting phase. armour save rerollable, fearless, True Grit Storm Bolters

[Killermoose]

Even a Custode needs a day off! I imagine the Emperor gets a bit boring after a while......

[experiment 626]

i remember dave taylor going on about their organisation... he's a huge fan of the custodies and knows quite abit about them!

he mentioned that most custodies don't wear power armour or termie armour...

cheers!

[Torquemada Coteaz]

hm that complicates things a little...
oh well. I'm fresh out of ideas/comments.
Though i think this could be done like a very scout-heavy type list (lots of scouts represent the non-PA/TA custodes, and a few units of armoured ones to represent the active/inner-palace guards)

[experiment 626]

or you could go for a space marine parent list and then add in grey knight allies!
this way you could use the carapaced custodies as your troops and still take upto 2 units of termies (1HQ & 1 elite) plus have a few power armoured knights...

just use the 'counts as' rule for the whole force! (lovely rule that one!)

cheers!

[DeAd_cOmMaNdO]

50 point marines and 86 point termies? id love to see this army in action its insane

id just 'counts as' space marines - theyll be a lot moer playable that way, though the rules youve all come up with do look like a good bit of fun. but i still think the high points cost makes them insanely unplayable. the army will be two 'tactical' squads and one 'terminator' squad. no matter how good each individual is i cant see them lasting long

[Torquemada Coteaz]

lol we can bump points down to 25 and 50
then they'll be playable :P