the future of the 41st millenium

[sarpedon]

this purely speculation and i would like to know people's opinions on this matter. Anyho

wat do you see as the future of the 41st millenium?
Do you see humantiy recovering from the fall of its grace maybe with the help of the lost primachs and a re-incarnated emporer? Or do you see it dimishing ever further by it's many threats.

Do you see the Tyranids overwhelming the galaxy in a fountain of glutony?
Or the Necrons
Or the forces of Chaos
Maybe the Eldar reclaiming their lost empire
Or the Tau uniting the galaxy through the Greater Good?

I know GW will probably never finish the story as it would mean the end of the Warhammer 40k but that doesnt stop us thinking about the possbilities of the story finish so come on people get debating.

[MSguardsmen]

eldar are broken and slowly dieing out. they will never rise to prominence only linger



nids well as long as the ultramarines stay strong on their fringe were good

necrons not really unstoppable but still a nuasance that will last forever. like arthritis. wont kill you (that i know of) but just bothers you alot.

chaos can never truely win for where there is chaos there is some form of order

and the tau uniting everyone in greater good will never happen. some one is always wanting to be an ahole and mess up everything.

i believe that the orks will just take over and go on with their happy lives

[Cagarner]

I think you will find this has already been discussed - End of Imperium

Also I have moved the thread into the General 40K Section.

[Killermoose]

Hmmm....

Eldar will defeat Chaos, but destroy itself in the process, at the Rahan Dhandra (sp?). Ynnead will kick some ass! Then they may be able to come back to life (the rebirth unlocked again) but thats unsure.

Orks will keep on fighting! They're always gonna be around, unless they are left figting 'nids (spores can't grow on a dead world!) However, they'll be a right pain in the Necron's shiny metal ass, as they can never be defeated by them.

Necrons will take out all life, and assuming the Orks die first, they'll have an easy time fighting the 'nids (they all reside on tomb worlds, not much biomass there!). They will easily take out most races though... but the Tau could give them a problem, considering they are still alive (Eldar too!)

Assuming the Tau continue to advance in science, they may have still be alive in the future. If their technology can get to the point when they stop Orks letting off spores, and the Necrons from teleporting away, they might just be able to do it. Lets hope

The IoM is pretty much screwed. Unless they drop their Xenophobia and join forces with the Eldar and form a truce with the Tau, they aren't going to last much longer. Though if some primarchs and the Emperor returns, they will defeat anyone!

Chaos. I think they will be defeated at the Rahan Dhandra (sp?). Its just a case if they will destroy everyone else by then! As long as the Tau are uncorruptible they will have issues there, and Necrons and 'Nids are safe. So are the Orks. Its just a case of what they'll do the the IoM!

So thats my view anyways!

[MSguardsmen]

well orks are corruptable. it has been seen that nurgle can lay his hands upon them. dont know about the other three.


no matter what though. there will be a 4 way battle royale though in the end.

nids, orks, necrons, & IoM.

when this battle comes we will have the emergence of the hive mind, the greatest whaaaagh ever, the void dragon, the Emperor, Schaeffer, Guilliman, Dorn, Lion, Russ, Vulkan, Jaghata, and Corax will return and then maybe humanity will stand a chance. however chaos, eldar, and tau will all be whipped out or play small roles as neither truely has the forces to play a large role in such an epic battle

[camo]

IoM is not going to survive, it's just holding on as it is... chaos will live for a long time, as no one can enter the eye of terror...

the eldar are bolth going to die out, no doubt about that...

the tau will either find a way to gather all the forces in the galaxy against the nids or orks or something, will eventually, but slowly, trickle back to obscurity

the nids will finish off the orks, if no one else does, leaving them with no other life (necrons don't count as life), and they will just move on to the next galaxy

the necrons will then be the only ones left, and will be able to finish thing to close off the warp, stopping chaos from having any power, and leaving them as the dominant species.

then they will go into their tombs and wait for life to fill up again

[Librarian_Tigurius]

The IoM can and will survive but it doesn't currently have the organization to conquer more of the galaxy. they are all waiting for the return of the primarchs and some inquisitors are trying to find the actual decendants of the emperor who are psychic blanks and extremely powerful and immortal. they believe that if they bring them together they will form either an extremely powerful fighting force or they will die awakening the emperor.

also if the emperor just dies he is so revered by so many that he will effectively become a chaos god but one that is in support of the imperium. but the leaders of the imperium are too scared to be without the astronomicon

i belive that chaos will survive bu only as long as there is others in the galaxy... for without order there cannot be chaos.

the necrons can never die unless their tombs are completely destroyed

the eldar are already dieing out they just have to make their prophicised attack on chaos (whether they win or not is still to be seen but i have some hope seeing as if the attack accually happens it is also said that they will destroy chaos so...)

The tau will be wiped out, they are under attack by the IoM and they are fighting the orks on one side and the tyrnids on the other, both of which are extremely hard even for the IoM to remove from a planet and the IoM has billions of troops at its disposal.

The tyrnids come from annother galaxy so if they are to be destroyed someone would have to go all the way to annother galaxy and probably others (seeing as if they got from one to annother they are probably going to more then just one)

the orks are extremely hard to kill but seeing as they live to fight they will always show themselves.

the dark eldar are included in chaos

[Ides]

Well we already have an interesting Dilemma here, because most of the primarchs are dead. Only three that I know of have a chance of returning: Leman Russ, Guilliman, and Lion El'Jonson (whom the new DA codex seems to say is Cypher the Fallen...) and if things go strangely, The Emperor. You also have to remember that if the emperor comes back, so do the Custodes, so you have another 10k extremely powerful warriors fighting for the Imperium.

The Necrons are a nuisance and cannot cut off the warp completely. If they try to complete their great endeavor they will only affect this galaxy and even then not all of it.

Tau have a chance, but a slim one, with their advancing technology, but they need to get out of the "our way is the only way" mentality.

Orks are...well, they're orks.

The Eldar are dying out slowly, as are the Dark Eldar.

The Tyranids have yet to show us their full potential so I can't really say...

[sarpedon]

the IOM has a strong chance of coming up on top here at least surviving long enough to see the end. Ides all the Primarchs are still alive bar from Sanguinius and the two missing ones. Most of them are MIA. Russ and Corax are in the Eye of Terror. Jaghatai is in Carmoragh (sp). Nobody knows wat happened to Vulkan. The fate of Manus and Dorn is confused as in the horus heresy books Manus is thought to have been killed by Fulgrim but in the old fluff it says his body was never found. Old fluff says Dorn's skeleton was found, but in new fluff just his hand was found. Finally Gullliman and the Lion are both critically injured though only Gulliman's body is actually found and acknowledged by the chapter. I also believe most of the traitor primarchs are still alive though in the form of daemon princes, bar from Horus obviously.

So yeah the Emporer will eventually come back through various means. Theres literally billions upon billions of humans and at least 100,0000 space marines as well as the custodians. The Necrons do not really have enough numbers to take over the Galaxy and would face too much opposition (they have no allies) The Orks will probably still be around but could never conquer the galaxy due to their nature (they fight each other too much!). Tyranids are hard to judge really, at the moment they probably could be stopped but the current hive fleets are only scouts for the main hive fleets, after all every new hive fleet is getting bigger and on a larger scale. But from a storyline perspective i can see the final battle between the emporer all the primarchs still alive (traitor and loyal) and the IOM against the forces of Chaos, maybe some orks. I can also see Eldar allying with the imperium for this final battle and maybe even Tau.

And at the end of it a Squat will probably appear out of nowwhere.

[Ides]

Emperor - Incapacitated

Guilliman - in stasis, so unless imperial medical technology improves he is useless. Incapacitated

Jaghatai Khan - MIA

Vulkan - unknown

Rogal Dorn - MIA

Sanguinius - Dead

Leman Russ - MIA

Lion El-Jonson - Old fluff says injured but new GW info renders that void within the Warhammer continuity. So - MIA.

Ferrus Manus - MIA - fluff says dead.

Corax - MIA possibly insane.

Vulkan - MIA, possibly dead.

Horus - Dead

Perturabo - Daemon

Alpharius - dead

Angron - Daemon

Mortarion - Daemon

Magnus the Red - Daemon

Fulgrim - Daemon

Lorgar - Daemon

Konrad Curze (Night Haunter) - dead

Who am I missing?

[Dante46]

i think the IoM would have it just through sheer numbers

[Stubber]

Originally Posted by Dante46

i think the IoM would have it just through sheer numbers

Don't forget the orks have more numbers than even the Imperium.
The only thing stopping them from ruling the galaxy is their comic inability to argee.

[Ides]

Isn't that what's stopping the Imperium from winning too?

[Stubber]

Originally Posted by Ides

Isn't that what's stopping the Imperium from winning too?

The Imperium simply isn't efficient enough to take control of everything.
Major problems take years to resolve or are simply lost in the infinite volume of information the Adaptus Terra has to deal with.

The Galaxy is just too big for one central government like the Adaptus Terra to handle.

[Ides]

But if they increased a Space Marine Chapter fighting size to two thousand and devoted more resources to weapons research they might have a better chance...

[Cagarner]

I think its the Adeptus Mechanicus that has caused the stagnation of human development in the 40K universe. They have reduced machinery and technology to holy relics, rather than the efficient tools they were meant to be. If the Adeptus mechanicus would embrace technology in the same way as the tau, the Imperium would have and efficient communication system. That would enable the Imperium to span the ENTIRE galaxy, not some fractured excuse of an empire.

[Ides]

The other option could be that Mankind conquers the tau and adds that race's fearsome technological prowess to its own. I imagine the fire warriors would embrace the zealous fury of the imperium and a new crusade quite well. And there's always the chance that they could help rediscover how to create space marines from scratch...

[Cagarner]

The Imperium would not use the tau as an army. They would declare the Tau Excommunicate, and all their technology would be treated as heresy to the machine god.

[Ides]

Then it seems it's not a matter of what needs to be done, its a matter of who needs to do it. I imagine quite a few radical inquisitors would step up to the mark...

[MSguardsmen]

yeah and then torn to pieces by Grey Knights and other space marines

[Stubber]

Radicals are greatly outnumbered by puritan Inquisitors.
They don't have enough sway in the Imperium to get the job done.

Even if they did convince thier fellow Inquisitors that using technology in a similar manner to the Tau was in the best intrest of the Imperium (which would be impossible), other factions like the Ecclesiarchy and Mechanicus would hunt them down.

[cinera]

well although dark eldar wont win, they definatly wont lose.

the dark eldar wont win because they dont fight for territories so even if they did siege a fortress (which is very, very unlikly) they would only gather the slaves and fly off again.

But they wont lose because the twighlight city is completly hidden. So even if some one had the intention of destroying the dark eldar they would have to find their home first...

Now orks are what seems very likly to me, as every one in constantly in fighting, its only a matter of time before so many orks are produced, that they will constantly ravage the worlds. Even a lone ork can quickly amass an army if he goes unchecked.

the imperium, well its only a matter of time before they are besieged on all fronts, besides with all there infighting to destroy heresy they are only going to weaken themselves. for example dark angels v space wolves, and the black templars V the inquisition.
and ofcourse every one and the imperial guard

[MSguardsmen]

well lets not forget about jaghita khan who is inside the webway. remember hes not dead until he is officially announced dead. same goes for vulkan and all the other missing primarchs