GW rules for Phantom Titans?

[Killermoose]

Hey everyone! Does anyone know whether GW has some rules for Eldar Phantom Titans for 40k/Apocolypse? If not, will they have some soon? I recently saw the old Armorcast Phantom Titan, and I think it's an amazing model! Massive, and pretty darn cool! If they have any rules that are even remotely GW approved, I may consider finding myself one of these lovely things...

Answers are much appreciated!

[SteveBerenyi]

Well, simply put, NO.

however, with apoc out and the "meet before hand and plan your battle" caveat in the book. VDR rules can easily be designed.

In fact i have the Las Vegas Gamers Club VDR rules for all eldar titans if you are interested.

[experiment 626]

also keep tabs on the apocalypse section of the gw website - they will be adding more and more formations and such to it.

but pretty much, use the warlord titan was a rough guide and just go for the eldar versions of all the weapon systems! basically, it should have a giant Sd weapon and at least 6-8 of the eldar versions of void shields. (IIRC, the imperial warlord has 8 or 9 shields!)

cheers!

[SteveBerenyi]

eldar dont have void shields or any such. they just have an eldar holo field that grants a 4+ inv. save on each facing.

[experiment 626]

Originally Posted by SteveBerenyi

eldar dont have void shields or any such. they just have an eldar holo field that grants a 4+ inv. save on each facing.

ah! thanks for that. i knew they had something quirky protecting them that was equally annoying!

cheers!

[Killermoose]

Thanks guys! That would be awesome, Steve, thanks! I'll have a look around at some of the other non-legal rules made for them too, and maybe ask at my local GW what they think. If they would be happy for me using it there (with my opponents permission, of course!) then I'll go ahead and get it. Fingers crossed that GW will make some rules first, though!

Also, if I do decide to get one, where is the best place to find them? They're quite rare, so I'm not sure where to look... there's the obvious one, Ebay, but after that, I don't know...

[Torquemada Coteaz]

belloflostsouls.com has its own Phantom and Reaver titan datasheets.
Not GW official, but good IMHO.

[Killermoose]

I found these rules on Warseer, thought they looked quite interesting. What do you guys think?

Phantom Titan

Points: 2000?

WS3 BS4 S10 Front 12 Side 12 Rear 12 I2 A3
Superheavy Walker
Structure Points: 6

Weapons: choose two arm weapons from the following:

Phantom Pulsar
range: 240" S: D AP: 2 Ordnance 2 10" blast, Destroyer, megalance (+1 on damage table) Main weapon

Thermal Lance
range: 72" S: D AP: 2 Ordnance 1 10" blast, megamelta (roll 2d6 on damage table and apply both), primary weapon

Power fist
+2 attacks Strength D
3 shuriken cannon (may upgrade to scatter lasers for 30pts, starcannons for 50pts, brightlances for 45pts or eldar missile launchers for 40pts)

Phantom D-Cannon
range: 60" S: - AP:2 Heavy 1 7" blast, primary weapon, Destroyer
Any model touched by the template is instantly destroyed. Superheavy vehicles lose d3 structure points ignoring shields, and gargantuan creatures lose d6 wounds ignoring armour and invulnerable saves.

Shoulder weapons:
Choose two of the following:
Phantom launcher
range: 48" S:8 AP:3 heavy 2, 5" blast

Prism Blaster
range: 72" S: 10 AP:2 heavy 1, 7" blast

Eldar Titan Holofields

[SteveBerenyi]

to me,
1. drop quick
2. even epic they dont have a prism blaster their options should be a wing missile launcher or wing lance weapon,
3. Tremmor cannon seem WAAAAAYYYY out of line to me, a hellstorm template on any unit a 72" line hits?????
4. it is posted in the VDR,
NO ELDAR VEHICLE CAN BE GIVEN AN ARMOR VALUE HIGHER THAN 12

fluff wise, there is a reason for that.

[Killermoose]

Right, I've changed the AV to 12 all round, got rid of quick, and I've got rid of the Tremor cannon (that seemed a little crazy to me too!) I've left the Prism Blaster on, simply because the stats for it are quite good, even if it has to have a name change...

What's it seem like now?

[SteveBerenyi]

they look good, but that thing is way under priced. I'd bump that number up to about 2300 pts.

just me though.

[Killermoose]

I'm not sure... it has a decent amount of firepower, but is also rather fragile... how many points is a Warlord Titan? It should be just a bit less than that....

[Torquemada Coteaz]

2500 is warlord.
All weapons included (all weapons cost the same, and you must choose 4 weapons, so the points doesn't change, ever)

[Killermoose]

Hmm... I'm wondering, should the weapons really be ordnance? What do you guys think?

[Torquemada Coteaz]

I don't know.
As a titan it seems fitting, as concentrated beam weapons of eldar it does not.
I can't decided lol.
Smaller template + longer range perhaps?
The warlord has a 20 ft weapon, and a 40ft missile...

[Killermoose]

Hmm... maybe just change them to Heavy instead of ordnance, and keep same range and template size? The Eldar typically have a shorter range anyway, but more precise weapons, so it fits the background. How does that sound?