Military History

[Wakim]

Bolter = kickass!

WWII explosive bullets did a truckload of damage something 5 times the size should disintegrate you!

[Battle-Ranch]

remember though explosive ammo is illegal under the geneva convension

[Wakim]

And who was talking about the second world war though?

[Torquemada Coteaz]

So are Flame-Throwers and Napalm...
damn...
lol joking. no seriously i am.
Also bolters are .75cal SELF PROPELLED MASS REACTIVE explosive rounds... woah.
some sources (IIRC) have even cited them to have a minimal sort of seeking ability. can't remember where from though.

Oh and back in WWI tanks breakdowns werent even the biggest problems.
THE ARMOUR FLAKES OFF AFTER A ROUND HITS IT! basically the gunners had to wear CHAINMAIL MASKS to prevent their face being too horribly burned and scored by the heated armour exploding off the inside.

[Wakim]

WWI tanks were just for show and effect

[Torquemada Coteaz]

Well they offered pretty good protection,
as long as you weren't INSIDE it

[Stubber]

WW1 tanks had such bad armour that most rifles could put a round straight through it.

And they overheated something fierce, often the crew would have to stand in the middle of the crew compartment and weren't able to touch anything because all the surfaces were red-hot.

I once saw a video clip of a WW1 tank advancing across no-mans land, and the little hatch on the back of one of the sponsons was wide open, you could see the tiny wooden stool the gunner had to sit on.

[Dragoon King]

Another drawback of ww1 tanks was that they were slow, making them easy pickings for enemy artillery. There is something to be said of their shock value, especially when they first appeared. Germany only used one type during the war, a behemoth called the A7V. If I remember correctly, only 30 were made.

[Ion Raptor]

Originally Posted by Torquemada Coteaz

So are Flame-Throwers and Napalm...

Oh and back in WWI tanks breakdowns werent even the biggest problems.
THE ARMOUR FLAKES OFF AFTER A ROUND HITS IT! basically the gunners had to wear CHAINMAIL MASKS to prevent their face being too horribly burned and scored by the heated armour exploding off the inside.

Not so much the armor, but the rivets flying around inside. Which is exactly why the Imperial Guard uses rivets! There's no better way to kill a Guardsman.

[Wakim]

So i say we vote for the frist british tank to be noted in history as an early form of a penitence engine!!!

[themandalorian]

None. I probably would have learned more if i kept airsofting

I watch a lot of military, history channel, and i love guns

http://flickr.com/photos/k0re/125405534/ i've been here, used to visit warships all the time while i was a little kid.

I know nothing about Commanding an army and those tactics. I have read a lot!!!

i was going to get a class with a recondo vet, but my mom basically Stopped me, part of the reason i'm going to get into Warhammer 40k

http://www.amazon.com/Recondo-Larry-.../dp/0804108439

http://escort68.tripod.com/71StLRP/id13.html

[Battle-Ranch]

[quote=Torquemada Coteaz;53827]So are Flame-Throwers and Napalm...
damn...
lol joking. no seriously i am. /QUOTE]

the common factor of napalm, flame-throwers, 50's and yes even shot guns, is that they mangel troops in the open. which if you ask me is a good damn reason. same goes for mines IED's they're just dirty pool.

[Wakim]

MInes were a terrible invention... There are still tens of thousands of mines left of random fields

It`ll take a long long time to get them all out

[Dragoon King]

Originally Posted by Wakim

MInes were a terrible invention... There are still tens of thousands of mines left of random fields

It`ll take a long long time to get them all out

I agree. Landmines are pretty diabolical. Thousands of civilians are killed or maimed by them every year across the globe. On a lighter note, maybe we could start a thread in the Scenario forum for tabletop battles based on real engagements. Just think of what would be possible ( I myself have been thinking on a scenario based on the battle for Stalingrad, but we could even use small unit engagements, like the LRRP of Vietnam or Ord Wingate's Chindits of WW2. Heck, even the Hail Mary of Desert Storm. Beaches of Normandy, anyone?). Anyone interested? I'm sure all us history nuts could come up with some pretty cool ideals. I will start the thread if you all are interested.

[SteveBerenyi]

interesting idea, it would all have to be guard vs guard though.

[Spartan2154]

Originally Posted by Dragoon King

Really? Where in the world did you find this info? Are you pulling my leg?

its in the codex space marines.

[Battle-Ranch]

Waterloo, DunKirk, Vimy Ridge, Agincourt! thats a great idea. we could think outside the box and do all the little known battles that no one other than the most hardcore care aboot. Invasion of Norway anyone?

[Dragoon King]

Originally Posted by Battle-Ranch

Waterloo, DunKirk, Vimy Ridge, Agincourt! thats a great idea. we could think outside the box and do all the little known battles that no one other than the most hardcore care aboot. Invasion of Norway anyone?

How about a Operation Varisty type scenario, with lots of Assault Marines (or Raptors) crossing a large river (like the Rhine) that is well defended?

[Battle-Ranch]

Or a charge of a light Brigade wqith bikes that run a gauntlet of cannons kil abunch of stuff then run back. ALL BEFORE THE IRON MAIDEN SONG ENDS! well thats a little much but still

[Dragoon King]

Originally Posted by Battle-Ranch

Or a charge of a light Brigade wqith bikes that run a gauntlet of cannons kil abunch of stuff then run back. ALL BEFORE THE IRON MAIDEN SONG ENDS! well thats a little much but still

Right, good ideal man. Why not throw Rough Riders in there instead of bikes?. Ok, I'm gonna start the thread over in Scenarios, and I'm thinking we should get around 5 to start and then flesh them out. Sound good to everyone? Firstly, post your ideals, then I'll pick the 5 I like best. If I don't pick your ideal this time, don't fret, it may be in the next five. I'll try to be fair and give everyone a chance to develop their ideal fully. Right, now go over there and post some ideals!!! (it will be called Terra Military History Nut's Scenario Thread!

[Warmaster Romulas]

[quote=Battle-Ranch;54054]

Originally Posted by Torquemada Coteaz

So are Flame-Throwers and Napalm...
damn...
lol joking. no seriously i am. /QUOTE]

the common factor of napalm, flame-throwers, 50's and yes even shot guns, is that they mangel troops in the open. which if you ask me is a good damn reason. same goes for mines IED's they're just dirty pool.

yeah but they get around those pesky rules of war by putting a bayonet on the front of a shotgun and calling it a trench gun

[Battle-Ranch]

it still mames the target which = a no go. or at least my understanding of the rules. geez maybe GW had a hand in writeing the geneva convention

[Warmaster Romulas]

are you kidding me i know guys who use shotguns for CQB
they even have underslung shotguns where the m203 is mounted on the m16

[Ion Raptor]

Just like we've gotten by the Geneva conventions for fire weapons by using Fuel Air Explosives......the fire doesn't need to even kill you, it will suck all of the oxygen out the air, what a way to go.

[Warmaster Romulas]

hey who said you have to follow the rules when you can rewrite them or just skirt around them

You know we prosecuted Japanese and Germans for war crimes when they used the same "Advanced Interogation" techniques we are using on suspected terrorist.

but that is what we do