REAL power Armour Scheduled for 2008!!!!!!

[Spartan2154]

http://www.newscientist.com/blog/tec...on-update.html

[Cagarner]

2008! Emperor's Throne! thats soon. Dont like the idea of sitting on a tank of fuel next to you 'Rear end'. Why can they use electrics?????

Anyway, thats really cool!

[Perturabo]

I have already seen working prototypes of assited lift exoskeletons-basicly legs of a Power Armour suit (without the Armour Plating)that allow you to lift several times your own allowance with no effort and the work from reactive bundles that sense your movement and mimic it!

[WNxHasoroth]

Hmm, I'm skeptical. Whenever something new is introduced to the army, the reasarch guys seem to have their head stuck up their ass and don't know what the Grunts on the ground actually need.

And I'm getting a horrible picture of a Marine running around with his rear on fire after an AK round set off the inner combustion engine.

[Killermoose]

Wow! If this works, it'll be quite a sight to see! Apart from the fuel tank near your rear (you're just asking for trouble there), it looks well thought out and all in all a good idea! And 2008? That's much faster than the Emperor did it!

[MSguardsmen]

wow what country is getting this and what branch cause as soon as i find out i know where im going and i also know what color to paint the armour. probably yellow but never blue.

[Dan296]

this would be the grand daddy money wasters of them all, the US army.

USA!! USA!!

from a 40k standpoint=cool

from a realistic standpoint=retarted. lets get armor on all of our humvees first mmk? maybe repair all the tanks from the freakin roadside bombs before we rush off to get new toys. k? that cool with you?

holy terra how i hate my goverment sometimes...

[MSguardsmen]

well dan first thing first. what does the american public care most about. the casualties. this armour should exponetially help lower casualties however more burnt asses.


all i can say is give me some titanium and i dont care if i sound like a scooter or a man with the ****s on ultra. just let me be able to paint it and carry an assualt cannon. thats all i want.

[NileChild]

the whole engine thing seems like it's mroe trouble than it's worth. from a 40k standpoint it's fantasatic. And dan it;s only due for testing in 08 not field use.

[NearSightedFarseer]

Well, it'd certainly be cool to use, but even if remotely viable, it'll be years before it approaches regular use

[Librarian_Tigurius]

Remember it is due for testing in 08 and they dev team probably decided that the fuel and engine near the butt is best place for it until it is armored because it is the least likely to be hit in combat... also when they test it the "Dragonskin" armor should be in production... which is a more powerful armor then just regular kevlar... it can survive a grenade blast (so your buddies don't die from jumpin on the nade) without a scratch... look it up if you want... http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/dragon-skin-survivors.php

Pretty neat when an AK round goes straight through kevlar and against dragonskin it doesn't get halfway through... and this stuff is meant for regular foot based troops... with the extra strength you could wear a full bodysuit or even layers of ceramic armor on the suit if it becomes powerful enough and it will probably be just like a space marines armor at some point... the space marine armor is pretty practical... the shoulder pads are big and kinda bulky but if attached as they are on a space marine they move out of the way when they need to... (they are on a hanging joint at the top of the shoulder when you put your arm up far enough it falls back) it is essentialy ablative armor as is (is destroyed easily and absorbs the damage spareing the layers beneath)

[MSguardsmen]

let me be the first to test it in combat please of please. i promise i wont turn the weapon against its creators.

however i can already see one flaw with this suit. you get a whole group of guys wearing this thing with some high powered armour on it your looking at the movie with the super soldiers and the government tries to kill them all but they fight back and win. so they then either try to make a life for themselves somewhere or start attacking civilization.


the human ego in this thing would explode.

[Gnr. Keil]

That Dragon armour stuff sounds familiar there. I have heard of something in devolpment that is just a litte bit thick then the current service uniform. When a bullet/shrapnil hits it the cloth immediatly hardens stoping the projectile. It's kind of a one shot wonder however as the area does not revert to it's original state. If the same spot is hit again the hardened area just shatters. The two officers left the chow hall on that part of the conversation so i don't know much more about it.

[Librarian_Tigurius]

Originally Posted by Gnr. Keil

That Dragon armour stuff sounds familiar there. I have heard of something in devolpment that is just a litte bit thick then the current service uniform. When a bullet/shrapnil hits it the cloth immediatly hardens stoping the projectile. It's kind of a one shot wonder however as the area does not revert to it's original state. If the same spot is hit again the hardened area just shatters. The two officers left the chow hall on that part of the conversation so i don't know much more about it.

Dragon skin is a new type of body armor... it is a composite of kevlar and other materials built in scales (hence Dragon skin) and the individual "scales" are sewn together into a vest which then is usually covered with cloth so that the scales are protected from the battlefield environment... it is pretty neat stuff... they have a few examples on their site of survivers... like a guy that took 5 dragunov shots in close proximity (like 2-3 inches apart), a situation where regular kevlar body armor would fail... the guy didn't even bruise because of how the cales are backed with a hard material... the individual scales sewn into a vest allow flexibility while the armor can still be rigid...

[MSguardsmen]

well the way that Tigerius makes it sound is that it can take multiply shots due to it being sewn on into a scale armour. this sounds alot more like the chain mesh the eldar use.


also Keil i think that if it takes multiple shots to the same area in a few seconds then it could destroy the armour with a rending effect. however if theres a spray of fire from an assualt rifle and it hits multiple areas the test subject should be fine.

[Torquemada Coteaz]

so this armour would have to be individually assembled/customized, would have to have controls to each limb's range of motion and such (to avoid cases like that poor marine from Fall of Reach book)
Also that's not power armour. it's power exoskeleton.
Power Armour = mimnetic polymers / symthetic "muscles" not exo.
WNx: don't worry. the grunts can use the 2inch thick body armour that this thing can and will inevitably mount... if the US can afford it
and as for the Dragon Armour. I preferred the concept of the Reactive Crystalline Armour from the old (and now scrapped) Future Warrior Project (involving such things as that exoskeleton, OICW/AICW's, the XM8/29/25 and so on) Where basically its ferric compound suspended in a semi-liquid and when an electric charge is sent through an area it hardens into a crystalline lattice and deflects the shot (there was a localised detect-and-react system i can't remember how it works)
basically a bullet contacts with outer layer, semi-liquid in th area gets a charge, the ferric compound arranges in crystal form and becomes superhard. when deflected the compound reverts to solution as the charge is taken away)

Also:
Electric is not used because of how big a battery you'd need. (course some would say GO HYDROGEN CELLS. 'cause get shot with one of those youd look like you peed your pants and thats it. but that tech is not exactly perfected)
I'm also skeptical of the reaction time for the exoskeleton and later systems becausre there is no direct neuralinterface.
This would lower casualties to shooting but they would still have to use tanks/apc/humvees for patrol (your not gonna slog that much on foot and still waste fuel :P)
not to mention the armour isn't exactly fully-covering. And it would cause the trooper to be lumbering. AND if you get hit by a bomb in that thing you are STILL toast. or slush.
I don't even know why they still are continuing with armoured powered exos after they scrapped all of FFW and related

[Librarian_Tigurius]

by ffw do you mean future warrior? because if so they haven't discontinued the Future warrior it is just the origional ideas evolved... they have warriors and strikers with integrated computers for command and control... (That is all the soldiers have a computer and so does the striker) the OICW/AICW airburst grenade launchers have ended up on the M8 and a tripod mounted weapon that fires airburst and 50 cal...

Also just so yall know if you don't watch mythbusters... gas tanks DO NOT explode when you shoot them.... they leak fuel... and if you shoot an engine then it just stops working properly.... fuel is only explosive if it is compressed with air.... so the internal combustion isn't dangerous to have... but they put it out of the way and in a possition where it is least likely to get shot to keep you from running out of power... and dragon skin isn't like eldar mesh... eldar mesh stiffens where it gets hit... this body armor is kevlar with hard backing in scales that are sewn together... it doesn't really have a 40k equivilent... they are aptly named though because they look like scales and are incredibly protective

[Torquemada Coteaz]

Well "Cancelled" was "In a sense" because generally Future Warrior itsself is gone but a lot of the components ended up modified or continued.
If eldar armour hardens at the "hit" spot then it's the crystalline reactive armour i was talking about (which is often associated with Future Warrior, though as of now i am no longer 100% sure whether it was part of project or not. i remember it being so)
Also. It doesn't matter whether its leak fuel or explode
Either way it's dangerous... just one of them is a lot less dangerous within 30 seconds than the other.
Future weapons ideas i liked were the Metal Storm launchers (caseless 36barrelled electric initiated guns) the shrapnel antigrenade turrets, and the ball bearing gun (yep. ball bearing gun. look it up )
last note, the powered exo is more of a beginning to termie armour, because i remember termie armour to be hydrolicly assisted power armour with thicker synth muscle bundles and plating

[Spartan2154]

Originally Posted by Torquemada Coteaz

Well "Cancelled" was "In a sense" because generally Future Warrior itsself is gone but a lot of the components ended up modified or continued.
If eldar armour hardens at the "hit" spot then it's the crystalline reactive armour i was talking about (which is often associated with Future Warrior, though as of now i am no longer 100% sure whether it was part of project or not. i remember it being so)
Also. It doesn't matter whether its leak fuel or explode
Either way it's dangerous... just one of them is a lot less dangerous within 30 seconds than the other.
Future weapons ideas i liked were the Metal Storm launchers (caseless 36barrelled electric initiated guns) the shrapnel antigrenade turrets, and the ball bearing gun (yep. ball bearing gun. look it up )
last note, the powered exo is more of a beginning to termie armour, because i remember termie armour to be hydrolicly assisted power armour with thicker synth muscle bundles and plating

The system is called Land Warrior not Future Warrior and 30 have already been orginized into the First Land Warrior battalion and is currently training for combat in Iraq. They won' t be deployed till March.

[Torquemada Coteaz]

land warrior is part of the future warrior project.
Land warrior was the dev of comm systems, 40mm turret and support vehicles AFAIK

[Spartan2154]

Just a random question. Would you, (and when i say you i mean anyone can voice their oppinion) feel safer with lightweight manuverable armor like dragonskin, or would you rather have artificial muscle assisted heavy armor like a space marine?

Originally Posted by Spartan2154

Just a random question. Would you, (and when i say you i mean anyone can voice their oppinion) feel safer with lightweight manuverable armor like dragonskin, or would you rather have artificial muscle assisted heavy armor like a space marine?

It would depend entirely upon the terrain being fought in, weapons issued, enemy faced, etc.. I'm too much of a tactician to stick to one method/suit. I do this in real life too when I spar. I don't have one style, I adapt and change to the opponent/venue.

[Torquemada Coteaz]

agreed with Erus here

assuming dragonskin is silent i would use it in place of kevlar on more, er, conservative missions (i.e. missions that "dont exist" if you catch my drift. any recon/stealth if you dont.)

Power Armour would be like, the uber-commando thing to do. Have a squad of elite troops on PA going crazy-ape-doodoo on an unsuspecting camp of enemies seems more logical than wearing bulky loud (because we undeniably do not have tech for silent power armour) pieces of a tank on a stealth mission at midnight.

[BrainDeleted]

Well lets face it for an army en mass you need to standardize and since dragon skin would be cheaper yet still effective at protecting a soldier from many weapons thats what I'd buy. a 4+ save in 40k terms maybe?


And of course elite soldiers may have more specialized equipment because well my whole army doesn't need some of that stuff