What is cheese?

[Killermoose]

If not, I'm afraid they may have to be declared Excommunicate Traitoris. And have a lovely Exterminatus called down upon their armies!

[Ikarus]

Let me try to get a crack at it.

It can be defined by a few points (with different ideas)

The Common Cheese: The act in which a gamer finds a great advantage in gameplay,(For Example: powerful weapons, models, wargear, special rules etc.) and the exploit or overusage of it.

Ikarus Cheese: The inability to handle a tough situation presented in gameplay. Most often used as a cry or wail from those in disadvantage.

But ofcourse I may come off from a snobby point of view (seeing how I like to spend a little too much on the 40k Addiction to have a big army to handle many situations, that is why I don't find many armies to be cheese, because I can let them beat me once, then I'll just trade out a few units from my armoury of 4k+ pts army and suit it to kill theirs.

But ofcourse the common cheese is partly what I believe is defined as 'cheese', when I see these armies I just stare at them and say wow thats the best they can do eh?

Well pretty much it for 2 cents.

[SlavetotheMachine]

Originally Posted by Lord Ikarus

But of course the common cheese is partly what I believe is defined as 'cheese', when I see these armies I just stare at them and say wow thats the best they can do, eh?

Well pretty much it for my 2 cents.

That was absolute gold! Yours 2 cents was worth so much more

[Ikarus]

Originally Posted by SlavetotheMachine

That was absolute gold! Yours 2 cents was worth so much more

Haha *throws more coints*

Hey I'm not so much of thinker but lets say if an enemy fields a lot of obliterators, and well you know he does that, then you just take out units or ignore the 'cheese' units and go for the objective FTW.

Or better yet, just make a decent army and face him again (most cases people do not generally have a fully versatile army well atleast 80% in the store do not, because they buy retail and it costs them hell of a lot).

But I guess the exact definition of cheese is when someone fields a lot of one unit or such that has good rules and what not and is seen to be virtually unkillable.

Thats it.

[Brother_Ambrose]

I once saw a 1500 point ultramarines army that had 9 tornados, 3 preditors and 2 5 man tacticals w/Tigrus. Thats ridiculas. 36 assualt cannon shots, 45 heavy bolter shots, 3 twLC shots, and the litlle infantry squads... jeeze...

Or this... Lord with Mark Undivided. Take the best of Cult Mark A, with obliterators and raptors, and other things not allowed to cult armies. CHEESE!

[experiment 626]

Originally Posted by Lord Commander Erus

Or this... Lord with Mark Undivided. Take the best of Cult Mark A, with obliterators and raptors, and other things not allowed to cult armies. CHEESE!

some of the worst 'beard/cheese' offenders i've seen are chaos sadly...
as you pointed out, taking a cheap lord with the mark of undivided to get say, a unit of berserkers supported by the firepower of a noise marine havoc squad! (absolute heresy unless abbadon's leading your army!)

another good one was with the under the old 3rd edition chaos codex; you could give a cult aspiring champion a mark from a different god!!! seeing a berserker champion with a mark of tzeentch or slaanesh was just plain wrong... (thank god the overfiend himself stomped on that one!)

cheers!

Thank the Emperors matching Golde-Magazine Rack they stopped that! Also, another bit of cheese is my fiancees Eldar and all it's fancy AP 2 and AP 3 weapons... *trundles off grumbling.*

[Dan296]

those bezerkers wouldnt stand for it!!! they would turn around and give the noise marines hell for blasting in their ears...
but sadly chaos is a very exploitable force for cheesy players
(does that mean they fell into a vat of nachos? o well.)
whos the overfeind? jervis johnson?

[Sushicat69]

I find cheese to just be poor sportsmanship in general, weather through power gaming, rules explotation or whining a lot. A cheese player in my opinion takes wins and losses to their ego because they play for the wrong reasons.

Example one: (older addition) Watching a IG army lay waste to a SM army in the first two rounds while the uber termie lord (half his army total value) wades through a river of destruction untouched and proceeds to wipe out the 1500pt IG army personnally.

example two: (necromunda) trying to us a preplayed Spyer gang from previous campaigns in a brand new campaign against brand new gangs. When it gets pointed out that his gang has more benefits than his entry creds would allow starts threating to fight the opponent that notices, The opponent, quits the game after being threatened. To which the cheesing player starts yelling about how he wins by default and loudly braggs his after game rolls for territory etc.

thats my 2 points