What is your 40k pet peeve?

[Brother_Ambrose]

What do you think is extremely cheesy?

for me its inflitrate with scouting (genestealers with broodlord). If they get first turn I'm dead. Hopefully not next time, I've learned to deloy better

[Houder]

Originally Posted by Brother_Ambrose

What do you think is extremely cheesy?

for me its inflitrate with scouting (genestealers with broodlord). If they get first turn I'm dead. Hopefully not next time, I've learned to deloy better

a broodlord with reutine can't get scuttlers

[Yarium]

For myself, I have found that Cheese is in the eye of the gamer. I don't believe in Cheese - rather, I only believe in things that are not fun to play against. It's not fun to play against something where I don't stand a chance, unless that's what I was gunning for.

A Broodlord with Genestealers will only be as much of a problem as you let them become. There are a lot of people out there who really DON'T like infiltrating the Broodlord, because he can be so vulnerable to massed firepower.

As also said, Genestealers, if accompanied by a Broodlord, cannot recieve Scuttlers - and so can't Scout ahead an extra 6". If that's what you're referring to, someone's trying to trick you!

Personally, I don't like fighting Iron Warriors when they have a Daemon Prince. I feel rather stifled whether I shoot it out with them, or go into close combat. The particular opponent I was fighting against has his list in a combination that's an anethma to MY playing style, so I'll rarely - if ever - win against it. However, it's not cheesy, because other styles of play will chew his army apart.

If you say Cheese exists, then remember that everything in Warhammer follows the Rock, Paper, Scissors mentality - Rock beats Scissors, Scissors beats Paper, and Paper beats Rock. Although it's not quite as pronounced (in 40k, sometimes Rock will beat Paper, but it's rarer), it still is there. So if we recognize that mentality, then cheese no longer exists, since there will always be something to beat it.

[rintinglen]

For me, my pet peeve is the ongoing trend for each new codex to be a little bit better than the one before, so that people who want to win the occasional game will go out and buy a new army.
With the sole exception of the Black Templar (who merely got the generalized SM improvements and whose Special Guy--The Emperors Champion--got nerfed, Each new Codex has had significant improvements that have greatly influenced the ability of the army to win. The Space Marines got Assault Cannons that rend and Leaders that give the hole army improved leadership. The tau now have tanks that can move over 6 inches and fire, as well as BS5 and the "Feel No Pain" for leaders. The Tyranids recieved numerous improvements, 6 Carnifex monstrous armies, no instant death for creatures in synapse.
I can hardly wait for the new Eldar codex. They have revved up their "Autarch." The Fire Prism has BS 4. Who knows what else has been improved.
At this rate, The last Codex to be published will be so over poweringingly strong that all of its predecessors will pale in comparison, and we will all have to rush out and buy that army.

[Ikarus]

Originally Posted by rintinglen

For me, my pet peeve is the ongoing trend for each new codex to be a little bit better than the one before, so that people who want to win the occasional game will go out and buy a new army.
With the sole exception of the Black Templar (who merely got the generalized SM improvements and whose Special Guy--The Emperors Champion--got nerfed, Each new Codex has had significant improvements that have greatly influenced the ability of the army to win. The Space Marines got Assault Cannons that rend and Leaders that give the hole army improved leadership. The tau now have tanks that can move over 6 inches and fire, as well as BS5 and the "Feel No Pain" for leaders. The Tyranids recieved numerous improvements, 6 Carnifex monstrous armies, no instant death for creatures in synapse.
I can hardly wait for the new Eldar codex. They have revved up their "Autarch." The Fire Prism has BS 4. Who knows what else has been improved.
At this rate, The last Codex to be published will be so over poweringingly strong that all of its predecessors will pale in comparison, and we will all have to rush out and buy that army.

We need a challenge everyday too dont we also? Some complain that 4th edition is too easy. In fact many do. Release of the new 4th edition codex makes the game hard, and challenging yet again. I'm bored myself by playing against easy people. New codexs bring my old enemies back into the new.

gives me something worth fighting against

For the Imperium brothers =D

[Torquemada Coteaz]

pet peeves: a lot of things, like cheese heads. (not the food)
I don't mind playing against cheese armies, but i dont like playing them often. also, bad sportsmanship i hate, along with unpainted or unwysiwig armies,people who dont care for the hobby, and some other things

[Inquisitor Ralei]

For me it's the fact that every little kid and their Mum want to play as Tau!
I also get really annoyed when I see threads that say the Eldar and Tau (my most two hated Xeno scum races) are best buds!

[mcflurry]

1. Vehicles are FAR too easy to kill.
2. people can shoot through walls.
3. cover saves are absolutely naff. they should have in the way rolls like LoTR.

[mcflurry]

1. Vehicles are FAR too easy to kill.
2. people can shoot through walls.
3. cover saves are absolutely naff. they should have in the way rolls like LoTR.
4. Tau (insert nasty word) are just annoying. so many guns...

[Icarus Athrasuriel]

For me it's rules lawers. For example, I once complained that a player was paying 20pts to have carapace armour put onto his 750pt HQ. He said that because Carapace Armour is issued per unit, and that it says in the IG's HQ notes at the top of the page that it counts as one unit (I later found out that it actually said 'for squad selection'), then he pays 20pts for the entire HQ.

[JaBoK]

For me it's two things:
People that complain about power issues. I've been playing for years, and all of the races are balanced in a way that any race can beat any list, with the right army. In response to a previous poster, the new eldar are not better. They force farseers to take witchblades, it also makes the starcannon worse. Underpowered units were made batter, such as fire prisms, wraithguard, shining spears, jetbikes and dire avengers, fire dragons.. here are some downgrades: Uber exarchs were taken away, like the swooping hawk cc demon and the warp spider assault beasts. All-aspect warrior armies don't work, and seer councils have been removed. Wraithlords were brought to a moderate power level (They have gone down by about 10% effectiveness.) They took out the crystal targeting matrix and lowered the power of spirit stones. In genaral, the army is just as powerful as it once was, but now we can take lists with all types of units in it.
Another thing that I hear alot about is Tau. I encourage everyone to make an anti tau army and bring it with them at all times, so they can pull a switch. Honestly, people who switched to tau need to learn tactics, and I have a few armies that will make people who want to take advantage of good guns switch back to ultramarines.

[Typher]

I think GW and their constant money grabbing is wha pisses me off most about the hobby. Their prices go up yearly and they regularily print new material that makes what any other industry might call a "new" publications immediately obsolete. Its like playing a computer game that makes you pay for each patch ( and if you say that many modern games do just that ill point out that they dont cost $35 + $75 (codex plus new rules/game in canadian dollars).

Thankfully compared to most other hobbies WH40k is relatively cheap so GW's policy isn't all that upsetting, more just annoying.

[Steellegioncpt]

If anything the thing I find most annoying of all time is Necrons. THEY GET BACK UP?!?!?!?! whats up with that?

[JaBoK]

One thing that I find annoying is that it's gonna cost me over 200 canadian dollars if I want to make a ten-man wraithguard squad.

[ZeroState]

Nothing at all to do with cheese - well directly.
I hate the fluff changes!

[Perturabo]

Originally Posted by ZeroState

Nothing at all to do with cheese - well directly.
I hate the fluff changes!

Amen to that-Ive been into 40K since the Rogue trader days and oh my how theyve messed around with the background (some of it for the better but mostly for the worse).

Game wise
1)Vehicles being so easy to destroy (lots of points put out of action normly before theyve fired a shot,I know its supposed to be an infantry/squad based game but c'mon!)
2)Terminators having such a naff invulnerable save (these things are supposed to survive being stood on by a titan!)
3)Close combat to hit rolls-the best WS still needing a 3+ to hit the worst WS on the chart

[Typher]

another thing I had to add is the new codexs! Sure this latest version is a little thicker than last, but there was once a time when a Codex or Army Book was so crammed with interesting fluff and paint ideas I collected them for that. They used to have battlerports and more tactics review from testers.... in short they were worth more than 5 pages of official pts values!

[Torquemada Coteaz]

pet peeves addition:
no full xenos codex (though i completely understand and am sympathetic for the reason)
some of the models (like Throne of Judgement and old daemonettes) being pulled off the shelf, though I hope they remain as classic/archive/direct-services-order-only

[Steellegioncpt]

Originally Posted by JaBoK

One thing that I find annoying is that it's gonna cost me over 200 canadian dollars if I want to make a ten-man wraithguard squad.

hahahaha find me a person who loves that, well maybe GW hahahahhaa. But seriously I hate people trying to make fluff based on FEMALE space marines.~!!

[Torquemada Coteaz]

Well i think generally anything that goes against the fluff a LOT is bad.
female marines is right up there.
also anyone creating fluff for the horus heresy and being against the given fluff is like one of my top 5 fluff pet peeves

[Levin]

Something that bothers me is the guy that I regularly play against (cus everyone else sold out and renounced 40k for the latest fad Warmachine *spits*) that he regularly comes up with the most cheesed out powergamed lists possible. He wins tournaments but will deliberately argue the rules in his favor, even after you show him in the book where he's wrong... It sucks when his whole army moves up turn 1 then gets to summon in 5 units of deamons that always scatter towards me then get to move as normal from that point!

There is litterally nothing you can do to stop it other than refuse to play that army...

[Perturabo]

Originally Posted by Levin

Something that bothers me is the guy that I regularly play against (cus everyone else sold out and renounced 40k for the latest fad Warmachine *spits*) ..

God yes,and I thought that was just in my area-that and bloomin confrontation,most of my club have stopped playing 40K and now get all pretentious and refer to it as a childs game-was good enough for them a feew months ago!
I like 40K the look and the fluff-nuff said!

[Killermoose]

Power gamers. That's all I have to say.

[Grand Master Raziel]

Originally Posted by Levin

It sucks when his whole army moves up turn 1 then gets to summon in 5 units of deamons that always scatter towards me then get to move as normal from that point!

Levin, if you play an Imperial army, there's a relatively cheap solution to your little problem. Get a Daemonhunters Inquisitor with a retinue of two Mystics for an allied Elite choice. It costs 30-some-odd points for the three figures, and essentially they let you shoot at summoned daemons (or deep striking units) the turn they come into play, before they get to move from the spot they appeared.

Also, while we're on that note: a Grey Knights Grand Master with Sanctuary, Sacred Incense, and the Book of True Names would serve you very well.

[Torquemada Coteaz]

if you are going to dump the mystics and Inq in there, I think some gun servitors are in order as well. slightly more expensive but adds some extra firepower.