My 1500 point slaanesh Army list

[Librarian_Tigurius]

HQ
Lucius the Eternal - as in codex - 196

Elites
Chosen - 6 men, Mark of slaanesh, free Aspiring champion: Aura of Acquiescence, 5 aspiring champions, all with: Bolt pistol, power fist, Doom Siren, Daemonic Flight, Daemonic Aura, Infiltrate -480

Troops
4x Chaos Space Marines - 6 man, Mark of slaanesh, 4 with Sonic blasters, 1 with blast master, Free aspiring champ: Doom siren, Sonic blaster, Power fist - 174 each - 696

Heavy
Predator - Blast master, sonic blaster, Smoke, combi-bolter, Extra Armor - 128

Exactly 1500 points

tear it up i wanna know where my flaws are but first i am trying to do a mostly sonic weapon army and i HATE daemons so don't tell me to use em because i won't. and if you think that the chosen is way to expensive recommend me a way to get the same hurt for less points... finally i am using the OLD 3rd ed chaos codex (before they revised it in 2006) so the doom sirens make me always strike first no matter what.

[MarksmanCypher]

Originally Posted by Librarian_Tigurius

HQ
Lucius the Eternal - as in codex - 196

Good.

Originally Posted by Librarian_Tigurius

Elites
Chosen - 6 men, Mark of slaanesh, free Aspiring champion: Aura of Acquiescence, 5 aspiring champions, all with: Bolt pistol, power fist, Doom Siren, Daemonic Flight, Daemonic Essence, Infiltrate -480

Whoa. That's alot of points.

Well, for one, daemonic essence is x/- points, so single wound models can't have them.

I see you're using Doomfisting rules. IMHO, still not worth it. They need to get to me first. And, at 390 (taking out Essence) points for 6 models... well, Battle Cannons and Plasma Cannons will have a field day.

I'd keep em as a 6-man unit, give them a Rhino, and a Rapturous Standard. Stick Lucius with them and watch him get a 3+ armour save with a 4+ feel no pain with all those juicy attacks.

Originally Posted by Librarian_Tigurius

Troops
4x Chaos Space Marines - 6 man, Mark of slaanesh, 4 with Sonic blasters, 1 with blast master, Free aspiring champ: Doom siren, Sonic blaster, Power fist - 174 each - 696

Make two of them combat units and it's looking better.

Originally Posted by Librarian_Tigurius

Heavy
Predator - Blast master, sonic blaster, Smoke, combi-bolter, Extra Armor - 128

What? No Daemonic Possession?

Originally Posted by Librarian_Tigurius

Exactly 1500 points

tear it up i wanna know where my flaws are but first i am trying to do a mostly sonic weapon army and i HATE daemons so don't tell me to use em because i won't. and if you think that the chosen is way to expensive recommend me a way to get the same hurt for less points... finally i am using the OLD 3rd ed chaos codex (before they revised it in 2006) so the doom sirens make me always strike first no matter what.

TBH, nearly the whole list is a flaw.

1. Daemons - you don't like em? Why? I'm afraid I don't rate this list one iota simply because of the lack of Daemons. At so little points for a rending Daemonette, who can refuse? You don't have to use them, but if you want a themed army, well... You're better off WITH them.

2. Chosen are WAY too expensive. First turn, you'll have my whole Thousand Sons army shooting at them. Assuming 1 squad is within rapid fire range, you'll be facing 32 shots - approx 3-4 of your guys will die. That doesn't include my Psychic Powers. Better off taking a unit with a Rhino and a Rapturous Standard for Lucius. Alternatively, take Possessed with Talons in a Rhino. Lots of ouch.

3. Use the 4th printing. That's what they use in Tournaments.

MarksmanCypher's Overall Rating - 4/10

[Librarian_Tigurius]

oops... not essence i meant aura i will fix in the list above. i charged for aura but wrote essence... was a little tired when i was finishing this off... the predator wasn't my first choice i only had exactly enough left for that and no upgrades other then that.

I will look at that rapturous standard idea... sounds cool

and the 4th ed of chaos codex says "Always strike in initiative order" so i think you still get the same effect

[MarkedByChaos]

My turn to "Tear it up"

OK, you don't want to use Daemons... In spite of the soundness of Marksman Cypher's advise I can accept that since I have a no Daemon Emperor's Children Army, we shall move on.

Elites
Chosen - 6 men, Mark of slaanesh, free Aspiring champion: Aura of Acquiescence, 5 aspiring champions, all with: Bolt pistol, power fist, Doom Siren, Daemonic Flight, Daemonic Aura, Infiltrate -480

OK, C'mon 6 wounds, you can not be serious. This is exactly why I hate Chosen! People who would otherwise be reasonable in thought and intelligent in choice see this unit and become gibbering fools.
I am going to assume that you were not in a coherent state of mind when you decided to do this as you said it was late when you did this. Taking a step back, you mention "if you think that the chosen is way to expensive recommend me a way to get the same hurt for less points...," well OK then I will. (in fact I will give you more for less)
A favored unit of Possessed with Aspiring Champion, everyone gets Daemonic Talons, the Champion still gets Aura of Acquiescence costs 202 points. for less than the cost of your unit I can take 2 units (and don't worry, they aren't really daemons they just pretend to be them on TV) they don't deliver quite the some reliability of Powerfists but with 19 attacks on the charge going before... say a wraith lord, odds are still in your favor to get the 3 6s you need to kill him with out having to resort to rolling to wound. on a good role your going to annihilate and enemy in close combat before he gets a chance to retaliate, and your always going to be able to rely on S5 marines!

you save 76 points

Drop the Combi Bolter from your Predator. you have enough fire on it already and one little Combi Bolter isn't going to make it any better, all it is going to do is make you have to role one (or two if your within 12") extra die separate from the rest of the firepower.
.... Sonic Blasters.... I understand fluff but your giving up 33% of you range and substituting S5 bullets for S4 ones. I know it is cool and fun to mod but you could keep the Heavy Bolter stats, mod it up all kewl like and call them your "Tweeters of Piercing Agony" (or something equally malignant), in this list you need the added fire power. besides "experimental equipment" or "Daemonic guns" can just as easily fit the fluff.

you save +10 points for a total of 86

if you go with the Possessed you don't need to follow MarksmanCypher's advice of splitting your four units into two units for close combat and two units for range but you do need to drop those Doom Sirens (I will address them shortly) and also the power fists (I will address them as well), use power weapons instead if you want.

you save + 60 points for a total of 146

Put your two units of possessed into Rhinos, Maybe give them Smoke Launchers you can have Lucius in one of them and go to town! (just remember he has to disembark before or with them, never after)

you pay 106 points for a total of 40 points

Drop the remaining points into Daemonic Possession and Parasitic Possession on the Predator and you balance out, your still at exactly 1500 points

OK Now, Doom Sirens and Powerfists.
I have the most recent printing and I have the first printing of the Current Chaos Codex. I also have the most current copy of the main rule book as well as the last edition.

Doom Sirens allow you to strike in initiative order even if attacking into cover (I am not specifically quoting any one book here cause I am not going to get GW peeved at me or the site but you seem to have grasped this and are running with it fairly well) However, if an enemy has something like wargear or something that gives them a "Strike first" in close combat, they are unaffected cause they are striking at Initiative 10.

Powerfists always strike (last in the previos edition) at Initiative 1 (and just to make this really clear I am going to apologize to any copyright lawyers out there working for GW) "Ignore any bonuses for special rules, cover, grenades or wargear, ect."

Doom Sirens are "special rules, wargear, ect."

MarksmanCypher is right, you need to use the more current printing. If you were to play him (or me) and an argument came up and you happened to whip out your codex to show him where it says you can do X and he whips out his Codex that says you can not do X guess who wins, the one with the most recent (and up to date) rules.

allrightythen, Powerfist never really made sense to me in a Slaanesh army, while they are nice in some armies, they negate one of the most powerful special rules in a Slaanesh army, striking before most others.
Doom Sirens are over rated, I only use them when fielding havocs (my 6 man assault havocs have 5 doom sirens) and I only field them in heavy terrain games. or when against hoards (although I like being able to rely on bullets over fire if I can help it)

Here is the neat'o thing about the adjusted list. it is harmonious with itself you now have 6 units of 6! How is that for an uber favored army!

[Librarian_Tigurius]

Originally Posted by MarkedByChaos

My turn to "Tear it up"

OK, you don't want to use Daemons... In spite of the soundness of Marksman Cypher's advise I can accept that since I have a no Daemon Emperor's Children Army, we shall move on.

Elites
Chosen - 6 men, Mark of slaanesh, free Aspiring champion: Aura of Acquiescence, 5 aspiring champions, all with: Bolt pistol, power fist, Doom Siren, Daemonic Flight, Daemonic Aura, Infiltrate -480

OK, C'mon 6 wounds, you can not be serious. This is exactly why I hate Chosen! People who would otherwise be reasonable in thought and intelligent in choice see this unit and become gibbering fools.
I am going to assume that you were not in a coherent state of mind when you decided to do this as you said it was late when you did this. Taking a step back, you mention "if you think that the chosen is way to expensive recommend me a way to get the same hurt for less points...," well OK then I will. (in fact I will give you more for less)
A favored unit of Possessed with Aspiring Champion, everyone gets Daemonic Talons, the Champion still gets Aura of Acquiescence costs 202 points. for less than the cost of your unit I can take 2 units (and don't worry, they aren't really daemons they just pretend to be them on TV) they don't deliver quite the some reliability of Powerfists but with 19 attacks on the charge going before... say a wraith lord, odds are still in your favor to get the 3 6s you need to kill him with out having to resort to rolling to wound. on a good role your going to annihilate and enemy in close combat before he gets a chance to retaliate, and your always going to be able to rely on S5 marines!

you save 76 points

Drop the Combi Bolter from your Predator. you have enough fire on it already and one little Combi Bolter isn't going to make it any better, all it is going to do is make you have to role one (or two if your within 12") extra die separate from the rest of the firepower.
.... Sonic Blasters.... I understand fluff but your giving up 33% of you range and substituting S5 bullets for S4 ones. I know it is cool and fun to mod but you could keep the Heavy Bolter stats, mod it up all kewl like and call them your "Tweeters of Piercing Agony" (or something equally malignant), in this list you need the added fire power. besides "experimental equipment" or "Daemonic guns" can just as easily fit the fluff.

you save +10 points for a total of 86

if you go with the Possessed you don't need to follow MarksmanCypher's advice of splitting your four units into two units for close combat and two units for range but you do need to drop those Doom Sirens (I will address them shortly) and also the power fists (I will address them as well), use power weapons instead if you want.

you save + 60 points for a total of 146

Put your two units of possessed into Rhinos, Maybe give them Smoke Launchers you can have Lucius in one of them and go to town! (just remember he has to disembark before or with them, never after)

you pay 106 points for a total of 40 points

Drop the remaining points into Daemonic Possession and Parasitic Possession on the Predator and you balance out, your still at exactly 1500 points

OK Now, Doom Sirens and Powerfists.
I have the most recent printing and I have the first printing of the Current Chaos Codex. I also have the most current copy of the main rule book as well as the last edition.

Doom Sirens allow you to strike in initiative order even if attacking into cover (I am not specifically quoting any one book here cause I am not going to get GW peeved at me or the site but you seem to have grasped this and are running with it fairly well) However, if an enemy has something like wargear or something that gives them a "Strike first" in close combat, they are unaffected cause they are striking at Initiative 10.

Powerfists always strike (last in the previos edition) at Initiative 1 (and just to make this really clear I am going to apologize to any copyright lawyers out there working for GW) "Ignore any bonuses for special rules, cover, grenades or wargear, ect."

Doom Sirens are "special rules, wargear, ect."

MarksmanCypher is right, you need to use the more current printing. If you were to play him (or me) and an argument came up and you happened to whip out your codex to show him where it says you can do X and he whips out his Codex that says you can not do X guess who wins, the one with the most recent (and up to date) rules.

allrightythen, Powerfist never really made sense to me in a Slaanesh army, while they are nice in some armies, they negate one of the most powerful special rules in a Slaanesh army, striking before most others.
Doom Sirens are over rated, I only use them when fielding havocs (my 6 man assault havocs have 5 doom sirens) and I only field them in heavy terrain games. or when against hoards (although I like being able to rely on bullets over fire if I can help it)

Here is the neat'o thing about the adjusted list. it is harmonious with itself you now have 6 units of 6! How is that for an uber favored army!

nice... i am glad someone figured out tht i pummeled way too many points into that unit... and i never thought of the possessed idea sounds like a good one. As for the doom sirens yeah i dropped them and decided power weapon is enough though they have power wep and sonic blaster if i have some points to play with i might throw in mutation to give him the attack as if he had the close combat weapon + bolt pistol

As for the pred... i only threw it in cuz i had 19 points to use without it and annother squad of guys... i don't remember where and all that but anyhow i didn't really have anything i could spend 19 points on (unless i wanted term armor for an aspiring champion.... yeah right) so i dropped the squad and threw in the pred and it worked out...

And thanks for not tryin to bash cuz i am playing a Just post heresy/ during heresy emp children army so they aren't going to be using deamons yet but they are going to be using the sonic weapons because they became "enhanced" during the heresy

[MarkedByChaos]

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having read over my last post, I apologize if I came of rudely in the beginning with the whole "gibbering fools" bit, It was a joke and funny in my head and the way I intended it. reading it again I don't know that it was conveyed so well though.

[Librarian_Tigurius]

Originally Posted by MarkedByChaos

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having read over my last post, I apologize if I came of rudely in the beginning with the whole "gibbering fools" bit, It was a joke and funny in my head and the way I intended it. reading it again I don't know that it was conveyed so well though.

hehe no no dude its cool i try and keep a sense of humor in everything...