Tactica: Thousand Sons (New!) - 40K Terra

MarksmanCypher · 09-09-2007

Well, this is the new Tactica for Thousand Sons on this forum.

Feel free to ask any q's about the new Thousand Sons and I'll answer as best I can.

Dragoon King · 09-09-2007

I know this is a dumb question, but how do force weapons work? I don't have the rulebook (usally just borrow one from my best friend), and I've never played anything but Chaos. I plan on building a squad of 1k Sons for my Black Legion, so any tips on tactics would be appreciated. Thanks!

MarksmanCypher · 09-10-2007

Since I don't think I'm allowed to give away the rules here, you might have to borrow your friend's rulebook and look it up.

Force Weapons on Aspiring Champions is a VERY powerful thing. Most of my opponents have run away from my Daemon prince only to be faced with a force weapon which destroyed their commander. It pretty much gives you new found power in your Thousand Sons squads.

masterofweirdness · 09-10-2007

Without giving away any specifics, force weapons allow you to kill mutli-wound models in a single blow.

GriplionGremlin · 09-25-2007

so what kind of tactica have you found for making 1000s killer with the new rules.

i'm kinda fond of the bike squad with icon of tzeentch turbo boosting to get an unheard of invul save and then at begining of t2 "beakoning" for the t-sorcerer or term squad that comes in and blasts away.

also putting 1 sorcer on a bike which does kind of the same thing but you can run him in a different direction.

worked well for me so far but i've only played 1 game with 1000sons using the new rules.

vinny · 09-26-2007

I use the sons to march up the table with there 24" range ap 3 bolters and 4+ inv save they take and give out punishment. I also now use lots of raptors

Drax · 09-26-2007

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Originally Posted by GriplionGremlin

i'm kinda fond of the bike squad with icon of tzeentch turbo boosting to get an unheard of invul save

actually the decision isn't conclusive on this yet (assuming you mean 2+ invulnerable).

both i and Krom spoke with Alessio at gamesday and whilst he was aware of the problem, neither he nor Gav were decided on whether they get the +1 in this case, but said that an FAQ would follow.

GriplionGremlin · 09-26-2007

aww man, i hope they dont nix that. its not our fault they didnt think of that! besides if they change that it doesn't affect turbo boosting (which now gives the unit a invul save) then they should need to re write how it can do the same for everyone except for bikes turbo boosting. its not like its a permament 2+ like an lord/sorc/1000son's perm 4+, it goes away at the begining of the next turn so you cant have it in hth unless someone assaults you before your next turn and if they do that then they deserve every bit of anquish when you save every flippin thing!!!

besides you still have units out there that ignore invul saves so it still balances out. that and that ability ain't cheap. for a large unit it is but most bike units are 3-5 models
sheesh. just like gw to talk about taking away an ability because they didnt do a good enough job in the first place. frickin lazy bums...

GriplionGremlin · 10-02-2007

so i take it NOBODY has any other tactics for 1ksons??????? shame on all you 1ksons players.

Dragoon King · 10-02-2007

So would it be legal if you had a Chaos sorcerer with a jump pack? What about a bike? They could still have a force weapon right? Maybe a Daemon weapon instead?

Imperial Commander Gent · 10-08-2007

Ok, what I think would be the best set up for your sorceror lord in a thousand sons army would be this:

Sorceror Lord; Mar of Tzeentch, Force Weapon, Bolt Pistol, Disc of Tzeentch (demonic steed), Warptime, Wind of Chaos

I know he weighs in at a hefty 215 points, but this guy is a combat monster! 6 attacks on the charge with a Force Weapon! Plus he moves 12, so he can get anywhere on the field in a hurry! Stick him in a raptor squad and watch your opponent cry when they tear through a unit a turn!

GriplionGremlin · 11-09-2007

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Originally Posted by Dragoon King

So would it be legal if you had a Chaos sorcerer with a jump pack? What about a bike? They could still have a force weapon right? Maybe a Daemon weapon instead?

sorcerers are hq choices now so they get some of the most choices for equipment however the only thing they cant have is a deamon weapon.

but jp, bikes and deamonic steeds are still options.

oh and i know this is kinda blasphemy but what is really awesome is having 2 sorceres. tool 1 tzeentch and the other slanesh with the lash of submission.

theres nothing like seeing an sm player's face as he realizes you just forced his dev squad out of cover then blasted them with ap3 bolters that they dont get a save on.......

Imperial Commander Gent · 11-11-2007

That is sick man. Why would we do things like that? Oh wait! The objective of this game is to win? Well, that changes EVERYTHING! *Whips out his excess sorceror models and starts painting them purple*. Dont mind me!

Lord Ark · 12-01-2007

ahriman's unstoppable in the bigger games

Imperial Commander Gent · 12-01-2007

He isnt invincible, remember that a model with a psychic hood and Leadership 10 will really put a hinderance on his effectiveness.

Lord Ark · 12-02-2007

what does a psychic hood do

GriplionGremlin · 12-03-2007

here's the real kicker. ahriman is a bada but what is a real kick in the groin is that he (as one of the most powerful psychers in the game) still has to take a psych test while typhus does not.....hmm seem a bit off to anyone else??

and psychic hood give an opposing psycher a chance to null a psychic power. not fun if you use quite few powers.

grip

Imperial Commander Gent · 12-03-2007

They rain on our parade man, that is all a psychic hood does!

masterofweirdness · 12-04-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by GriplionGremlin

here's the real kicker. ahriman is a bada but what is a real kick in the groin is that he (as one of the most powerful psychers in the game) still has to take a psych test while typhus does not.....hmm seem a bit off to anyone else??

and psychic hood give an opposing psycher a chance to null a psychic power. not fun if you use quite few powers.

grip

Thank you! You just reminded me that I SHOULD get a chaos socorcer for my army... possibly replacing my orginal intention of having a Chaos Lord...

Of course... I am doing this just to piss off my eldar playing brother.

GriplionGremlin · 12-04-2007

anytime! smack him down a good one right!

Ion Raptor · 12-04-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by GriplionGremlin

here's the real kicker. ahriman is a bada but what is a real kick in the groin is that he (as one of the most powerful psychers in the game) still has to take a psych test while typhus does not.....hmm seem a bit off to anyone else??

Yeah, that royally ticked me off. If Ahriman is just one stroll through the Black Library short of God-hood, why does he still have to test?

Imperial Commander Gent · 12-04-2007

It makes absolutely no sense to me either!

masterofweirdness · 12-04-2007

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Originally Posted by Ion Raptor

Yeah, that royally ticked me off. If Ahriman is just one stroll through the Black Library short of God-hood, why does he still have to test?

Because Tygruis is a Ultranoob.

That... and he possibly uses "safer" methods when dealing with his powers... IE no sorcery involved...

Imperial Commander Gent · 12-04-2007

I am fairly certain Ahriman uses sorcerous powers!

GriplionGremlin · 12-05-2007

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Originally Posted by masterofweirdness

Because Tygruis is a Ultranoob.

That... and he possibly uses "safer" methods when dealing with his powers... IE no sorcery involved...

not tygruis, typhus the nurgle csm special character.

09-09-2007	#1 (permalink)
MarksmanCypher Trooper Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 111 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Tactica: Thousand Sons (New!) Well, this is the new Tactica for Thousand Sons on this forum. Feel free to ask any q's about the new Thousand Sons and I'll answer as best I can. __________________ Lurking in the Shadows of 40k Terra.

09-09-2007	#2 (permalink)
Dragoon King Destruction Manifest Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Loyall, Kentucky Posts: 2,647 Rep Power: 3 Thanks: 70 Thanked 94 Times in 72 Posts Blog Entries: 1	I know this is a dumb question, but how do force weapons work? I don't have the rulebook (usally just borrow one from my best friend), and I've never played anything but Chaos. I plan on building a squad of 1k Sons for my Black Legion, so any tips on tactics would be appreciated. Thanks! __________________ “Nothing you can lose by dying is half so precious as the readiness to die, which is a man’s charter of nobility.” George Santayana.

09-10-2007	#3 (permalink)
MarksmanCypher Trooper Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 111 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Since I don't think I'm allowed to give away the rules here, you might have to borrow your friend's rulebook and look it up. Force Weapons on Aspiring Champions is a VERY powerful thing. Most of my opponents have run away from my Daemon prince only to be faced with a force weapon which destroyed their commander. It pretty much gives you new found power in your Thousand Sons squads. __________________ Lurking in the Shadows of 40k Terra.

09-25-2007	#5 (permalink)
GriplionGremlin Corporal Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 450 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 59 Thanked 25 Times in 22 Posts Blog Entries: 1	so what kind of tactica have you found for making 1000s killer with the new rules. i'm kinda fond of the bike squad with icon of tzeentch turbo boosting to get an unheard of invul save and then at begining of t2 "beakoning" for the t-sorcerer or term squad that comes in and blasts away. also putting 1 sorcer on a bike which does kind of the same thing but you can run him in a different direction. worked well for me so far but i've only played 1 game with 1000sons using the new rules. __________________ fe, fi, fo, fum. i smell imperial corpse scumm! my 1ksons ts wip iron hands wip Infinity miniature game

09-26-2007	#8 (permalink)
GriplionGremlin Corporal Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 450 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 59 Thanked 25 Times in 22 Posts Blog Entries: 1	aww man, i hope they dont nix that. its not our fault they didnt think of that! besides if they change that it doesn't affect turbo boosting (which now gives the unit a invul save) then they should need to re write how it can do the same for everyone except for bikes turbo boosting. its not like its a permament 2+ like an lord/sorc/1000son's perm 4+, it goes away at the begining of the next turn so you cant have it in hth unless someone assaults you before your next turn and if they do that then they deserve every bit of anquish when you save every flippin thing!!! besides you still have units out there that ignore invul saves so it still balances out. that and that ability ain't cheap. for a large unit it is but most bike units are 3-5 models sheesh. just like gw to talk about taking away an ability because they didnt do a good enough job in the first place. frickin lazy bums... __________________ fe, fi, fo, fum. i smell imperial corpse scumm! my 1ksons ts wip iron hands wip Infinity miniature game Last edited by GriplionGremlin; 09-26-2007 at 07:58 PM.

09-26-2007	#6 (permalink)
vinny Trooper Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 58 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 2 Posts	I use the sons to march up the table with there 24" range ap 3 bolters and 4+ inv save they take and give out punishment. I also now use lots of raptors

10-02-2007	#9 (permalink)
GriplionGremlin Corporal Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 450 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 59 Thanked 25 Times in 22 Posts Blog Entries: 1	so i take it NOBODY has any other tactics for 1ksons??????? shame on all you 1ksons players. __________________ fe, fi, fo, fum. i smell imperial corpse scumm! my 1ksons ts wip iron hands wip Infinity miniature game

10-02-2007	#10 (permalink)
Dragoon King Destruction Manifest Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Loyall, Kentucky Posts: 2,647 Rep Power: 3 Thanks: 70 Thanked 94 Times in 72 Posts Blog Entries: 1	So would it be legal if you had a Chaos sorcerer with a jump pack? What about a bike? They could still have a force weapon right? Maybe a Daemon weapon instead? __________________ “Nothing you can lose by dying is half so precious as the readiness to die, which is a man’s charter of nobility.” George Santayana.

10-08-2007	#11 (permalink)
Imperial Commander Gent Your Local Ori Prior Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: According to some I dont actually exist, or I am not a real person! Posts: 883 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 91 Thanked 31 Times in 28 Posts	Ok, what I think would be the best set up for your sorceror lord in a thousand sons army would be this: Sorceror Lord; Mar of Tzeentch, Force Weapon, Bolt Pistol, Disc of Tzeentch (demonic steed), Warptime, Wind of Chaos I know he weighs in at a hefty 215 points, but this guy is a combat monster! 6 attacks on the charge with a Force Weapon! Plus he moves 12, so he can get anywhere on the field in a hurry! Stick him in a raptor squad and watch your opponent cry when they tear through a unit a turn! __________________ Hallowed are the Ori. Hallowed are the children of the Ori. Hallowed are we; hallowed are the Ori. Those who seek the path to enlightenment must not be led astray! Believe in the truth of all things and you too may find the path to enlightenment. Those who stray must be guided back to the path. Those who abandon the path are evil. Those who reject the path to enlightenment, must be destroyed. Enemies of the Ori show no mercy in their attempts to draw believers away from the path

11-11-2007	#13 (permalink)
Imperial Commander Gent Your Local Ori Prior Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: According to some I dont actually exist, or I am not a real person! Posts: 883 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 91 Thanked 31 Times in 28 Posts	That is sick man. Why would we do things like that? Oh wait! The objective of this game is to win? Well, that changes EVERYTHING! Whips out his excess sorceror models and starts painting them purple. Dont mind me! __________________ Hallowed are the Ori. Hallowed are the children of the Ori. Hallowed are we; hallowed are the Ori. Those who seek the path to enlightenment must not be led astray! Believe in the truth of all things and you too may find the path to enlightenment. Those who stray must be guided back to the path. Those who abandon the path are evil. Those who reject the path to enlightenment, must be destroyed. Enemies of the Ori show no mercy in their attempts to draw believers away from the path

12-01-2007	#14 (permalink)
Lord Ark Conscript Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 17 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	ahriman's unstoppable in the bigger games

12-01-2007	#15 (permalink)
Imperial Commander Gent Your Local Ori Prior Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: According to some I dont actually exist, or I am not a real person! Posts: 883 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 91 Thanked 31 Times in 28 Posts	He isnt invincible, remember that a model with a psychic hood and Leadership 10 will really put a hinderance on his effectiveness. __________________ Hallowed are the Ori. Hallowed are the children of the Ori. Hallowed are we; hallowed are the Ori. Those who seek the path to enlightenment must not be led astray! Believe in the truth of all things and you too may find the path to enlightenment. Those who stray must be guided back to the path. Those who abandon the path are evil. Those who reject the path to enlightenment, must be destroyed. Enemies of the Ori show no mercy in their attempts to draw believers away from the path

12-02-2007	#16 (permalink)
Lord Ark Conscript Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 17 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	what does a psychic hood do

12-03-2007	#17 (permalink)
GriplionGremlin Corporal Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 450 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 59 Thanked 25 Times in 22 Posts Blog Entries: 1	here's the real kicker. ahriman is a bada but what is a real kick in the groin is that he (as one of the most powerful psychers in the game) still has to take a psych test while typhus does not.....hmm seem a bit off to anyone else?? and psychic hood give an opposing psycher a chance to null a psychic power. not fun if you use quite few powers. grip __________________ fe, fi, fo, fum. i smell imperial corpse scumm! my 1ksons ts wip iron hands wip Infinity miniature game

12-03-2007	#18 (permalink)
Imperial Commander Gent Your Local Ori Prior Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: According to some I dont actually exist, or I am not a real person! Posts: 883 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 91 Thanked 31 Times in 28 Posts	They rain on our parade man, that is all a psychic hood does! __________________ Hallowed are the Ori. Hallowed are the children of the Ori. Hallowed are we; hallowed are the Ori. Those who seek the path to enlightenment must not be led astray! Believe in the truth of all things and you too may find the path to enlightenment. Those who stray must be guided back to the path. Those who abandon the path are evil. Those who reject the path to enlightenment, must be destroyed. Enemies of the Ori show no mercy in their attempts to draw believers away from the path

12-04-2007	#20 (permalink)
GriplionGremlin Corporal Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 450 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 59 Thanked 25 Times in 22 Posts Blog Entries: 1	anytime! smack him down a good one right! __________________ fe, fi, fo, fum. i smell imperial corpse scumm! my 1ksons ts wip iron hands wip Infinity miniature game

12-04-2007	#22 (permalink)
Imperial Commander Gent Your Local Ori Prior Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: According to some I dont actually exist, or I am not a real person! Posts: 883 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 91 Thanked 31 Times in 28 Posts	It makes absolutely no sense to me either! __________________ Hallowed are the Ori. Hallowed are the children of the Ori. Hallowed are we; hallowed are the Ori. Those who seek the path to enlightenment must not be led astray! Believe in the truth of all things and you too may find the path to enlightenment. Those who stray must be guided back to the path. Those who abandon the path are evil. Those who reject the path to enlightenment, must be destroyed. Enemies of the Ori show no mercy in their attempts to draw believers away from the path

12-04-2007	#24 (permalink)
Imperial Commander Gent Your Local Ori Prior Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: According to some I dont actually exist, or I am not a real person! Posts: 883 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 91 Thanked 31 Times in 28 Posts	I am fairly certain Ahriman uses sorcerous powers! __________________ Hallowed are the Ori. Hallowed are the children of the Ori. Hallowed are we; hallowed are the Ori. Those who seek the path to enlightenment must not be led astray! Believe in the truth of all things and you too may find the path to enlightenment. Those who stray must be guided back to the path. Those who abandon the path are evil. Those who reject the path to enlightenment, must be destroyed. Enemies of the Ori show no mercy in their attempts to draw believers away from the path