New Ba From Wd

[Spartan-11755]

I've seen the BA Army list
And you BA players will be lucky to have 48 models in your army ..... and Chaplain Lemartaes is a standard HQ pick now and nasty as all F**K I will get more later on

[experiment 626]

or rather by the sounds of it, there's many, many shiny new toys and options that will sorely tempt all you blood angel players and thus lead to low model counts!

i can't wait to see this list... sadly we here in canada must wait untill the june WD.

cheers!

Originally Posted by experiment 626

or rather by the sounds of it, there's many, many shiny new toys and options that will sorely tempt all you blood angel players and thus lead to low model counts!

i can't wait to see this list... sadly we here in canada must wait untill the june WD.

cheers!

I guess I may have to go see if the new WD for the States has it released... Need an excuse to run down to the Gameshop.

[masterofweirdness]

hmm... for the first time in the history of my life I am seriously considering getting a WD...

Which one for America?

[Perturabo]

Erm ive got it in the Uk WD330,its being issued in two parts so I only have half the info at the moment

Quick run down of changes:-

Black Rage and Red Thirst are being played down as the Blood Angels are not a "Vampire " Space Marine army, they are now seen as artisan warriors-long lived perfectionists, with a a dark secret. There is a strong influence of Sanguinius's beleifs in the chapter and many of their doctrines have a mystical shape, they also have a strong beleif that things can be changed for the better. The Black rage/Red Thirst are being played out as rare occurances that happen at the end of a Marines life (as it will kill him) so they dont appear as a chapter of raving mad men craving after blood ( I think they were seen to much as a loyalist bunch of Khorne Beserkers).

Furious charge has gone but all attacks they make are now Rending (yes Rending)!

Combat squads as the Dark angels have can now be taken by the Blood Angels-Veteran Assault Squads,Scouts,Tactical Squads,Assault Squads,Devastator Squads (I beleive this will be rolled out for all Marine Chapters in the Codex Space Marine Redux when it comes out)

No veteran abilities for veteran squads though still have veteran assault squads

Dreadnoughts become Elite choices only-no more 6 dread armies (though I rarely saw them)!

Dante has a a master crafted power axe and the "Perdition pistol" fires as a melta gun but counts as a pistol for close combat (Nice)!

Psychic powers-Might of heroes=+D3 Attacks, Wings of Sanguinius = Treat as if had a jump pack, Transfixing Gaze = Basicly stuns the model in CC.

Over Charged engines = 1 stalls the vehicle can't move this turn or next, 2-3 boosters fail to kick in moves as normal, 4-6 move as a fast vehicle up to 18" (very nice)

Wargear-Only have the war gear list at the moment so I dont know who can take what. Mentions assault vehicle and frag assault launchers but if they will be for Land Raiders only who knows! Inertial guidance for Drop Pods allows them to enter play in the reserves and allows the scatter to be reduced!

[r4wr89]

ooooooh perdition pistol...HELLO. personally, i think i'd prefer rending over furious assault. the way it's been discussed, it sounded like BA assaults were just normal marine assaults, but it's good that they have something cool like rending.

hmm...somehow i'm not quite seeing the artisan side of BA, but i haven't yet seen the codex...wait which US WD is this ? i may have to check it out! :]
-ant

ps, i'm assuming that on a roll of one the supercharged tanks can't? move for this turn or the next? edited for clarification!

-ø

[Perturabo]

Dont know what US edition it is! Its UK WD330.

As for the artisan side its supposedly because they live so long that they have the finest articifer armour and artwork etc!

[hairyyahoo]

i just need to clarify something, rending is only on death company, not other squads.

[Perturabo]

Yes as it reads Black Rage-because they will do anything to attack the enemy, including ripping them limb from all Close Combat attacks made by a member of the Death Company count as rending.

[Perturabo]

Ok got the new White Dwarf

HQ
Dante
Mephiston
Lemartes
Brother Corbulo
Tycho
Chaplain-no longer has D3+3 death Guard with him!
Librarian
Company Captain

Honour guard may accompany any HQ choice but does not take up slot

Elites
Death Company (now optional)-Does not use up slot
Terminator Squad
Furioso Dreadnought
Dreadnought
Techmarine
Veteran Assaualt Squad
Scout Squad-so scouts appera to be moving to Elites for everyone!

Troops
Assault Squad
Tactical Squad

Fast Attack
Bike Squadron
Attack Bike Squadron
Land Speeder Squadron

Heavy Support
Devastator Squad
Land raider
land raider Crusader-No 0-1 Limit!
Whirlwind
Predator
Vindicator
Baal Predator-Over Charged engines so may act as fast vehicle!

Dedicated Transport
Blood Angesl Rhino-Cheaper as in Dark Angels
Razorback
Drop Pod

Death Company may include one member for each squad taken of the following types: Honour Guard, Terminator Squad, Veteran Assault Squad, Assault Squad, Tactical Squad and Devastator Squad so if you only take the minimum two troops choices and nothing else you would have two members in your Death Company (Take more squads get more members). The members do not get taken from the squads as before they are extra and the points for this has been included in the squads initial cost. If there are less than 10 members in the death Company you can buy extra members up to a maximum 10 total.

I have not gone into too much detail here as.....GW are giving it all free on there website as a PDF file!!(good news for you people not in the UK)

Its not up yet (I get my White Dwarf earlier than most) but it will be at www.games-workshop.co.uk/bloodangels when it is published.

[masterofweirdness]

I still don't think that scouts should be elites... in my mind there are probably 2000 scouts that work for the ultramarines...

Its just that in a normal battle... you'll only see a couple of squads at the most.

[wolfpack]

WD329...pgs 74-89....Hmmm...might have to start a BA army after looking through this...nothin on the scale of my pups but definately considering it...

[Perturabo]

I agree that each chapter would have many many scouts in its ranks!

But I can see why they have moved them to Elite as they were often used as the cheap throw away alternative to take your compulsary troops choices instead of actual marines. I know it removes the ability to have a pure scout force but in a campaign setting where such things would be used Im sure local rules can be hashed out for it.

The move with the make up of the Death Company I feel is a good one, gone are the random chance elements (and the possibility of loosing a fair chunk of a very expensive Terminator Squad), also gone is the risk of the Death Company not having a chance against a vehicle (If you didnt get a veteran Sgt in there with a powerfist...) so the old tactic against them of shoot the Chaplain and then let them spend the game chasing a Leman Russ! The fact that you have to take more squads to get a free decent size free Death Company makes up for the old Blood Angels getting some rock hard shock troops (with Jump Packs) for free with the Chaplain.

My only let down is the loss of Furious Charge (OK maybe not for the entire army but maybe the Vets and characters?) and the fact that Assault Squads are a troops choice only!