Dans Eldar!

[Dan296]

i am starting an eldar army! yaaay!
Saim Hann craftworld, but my own colors.
im gonna use the jetbike autarch w/laser lance and reaper launcher build.
however, i would like some pics of other peoples, cause i know others have done it. just for inspiration.

so heres my basic outline. gonna post a finalized list later, but for now...
HQ-autarch w/jetbike, mandiblasters, laser lance, reaper launcher.
Elites-6 firedragons w/wave serpent X2
10 banshees w/wave serpent

troops-3-4 squads of 12 jetbikes (ouch...expensive $$ wise)
10 dire avengers in wave serpent
maybe some guardians as more cheap scoring units/fire support?

FA-vypers

HS-2 fire prisms

what do you think? ill come up with a final list later

[BrainDeleted]

Well the Autarch set up is rock solid

I would drop 1 of the fire Dragon squads bump the other up to ten and give the Exarch a firepike and tank hunters and that will massacre ANY tank. If you feel it nessesary add holo-fields to their transport because opponents make them a priority usually but not nessecary

Howling Banshees...never liked them much...always liked scorpions much better and scorpions are cheaper for a full squad with no need for a transport

Use the points you just freed up to buy a full 5 man unit of Shining Spears (they come in sets of 3 so the extra one can be used for bitz for the autarch)

Never, EVER under estimate Shining Spears (most of the people I play have and have payed dearly) They are fast and versatile one minute you can use their S6 lance weapons (add the Exarch's S8 lance) and they are very capable of tank hunting, they can glance 14 armor, but shouldn't have too cause of their speed (Exarch Star Lance is a bright lance but with shorter range) And their legendary charges make mince meat of Guardsmen and with withdraw they can keep charging right in

The guardian jet bikes are ok, I never liked them but its just personal preference. 12 guys with 4 suriken cannons is hard for any army to swallow though. maybe cut them down too 9 guys with 3 shuriken cannons and use the points for either a 2nd dire avenger squad so they can mutually support each other or a squad of guardians with a scatter laser, OR a squad of storm guardians with 2 flamers and a warlock with enhance and conceal (my personal favorate)


Overall eldar are fun and extremely flexable enjoy

[Dan296]

looking over it, jetbikes are way too expensive for what you get...
so heres the list i came up with...
for the aspect warriors, its the # + exarch (so 6 men in FD squad.)

HQ-
Autarch w/-banshee mask, jetbike, laser lance, reaper launcher—148 points

Elites-
5 Fire Dragons, exarch w/firepike, tank hunters-131 (in falcon)
9 striking scorpions, exarch w/ shadowstrike-192

Troops-
9 jetbikes, 3 w/S.cannon-228
9 jetbikes, 3 w/S.cannon-228
9 Dire Avengers, exarch w/two S.catapults, bladestorm.-152
Wave Serpent w/ scatter lasers-115
10 guardians-80
10 guardians-80

Fast Attack-
2 vypers w/scatter lasers-120
4 shining spears, exarch w/star lance, withdraw-227

Heavy support-
Fire Prism w/ holo field, spirit stones-160
Falcon w/ bright lance, spirit stones-145

2006 total

[BrainDeleted]

ouch 2006 points...can't use that anywhere, try and to trim off the fat so to speak

Well unless those Guardians are storm guardians they must have a support platform and since you have plenty of anti-tank I would recommend scatter lasers or the cheap shuriken cannon but if you have the points Eldar missile launchers are the best choice

The striking scorpions exarch should have an exarch weapon which one is just prefrance (highly recommend: chainsabres :P)

If they are storm guardians then giving them a warlock with enhance is almost a must (conceal is a good option if you have the points) because it makes them pretty deadly assault units for standard troops they should be able to hold their own against anyone and if you throw in two flamers they can take out squads of slugga boyz and gaunts (if you make it one full squad of 20 or have both squads shoot and charge)

The wave serpent is transporting the dire avengers yes? thats good.

Why a banshee mask on the autarch? mandiblasters are the better choice with his already high initiative

The falcon should have the holo-fields instead of the Prism because the falcon is transporting valuable troops and must get close and personal to the enemy while the Prism with it's 60" range can stay out of harms way


Nice list just a few tweaks and one legal issue

[Killermoose]

Just a quick thing Dan, as I have experiance with that Autarch on jetbike setup, why the Banshee mask? You're iniative 6 or 7 with him, nothing's going to be striking before him anway! Mandiblasters get him an extra attack, and with his Laser Lance and high weapon skill that's really going to make a difference!

[Dan296]

yea i decided to remove that. i was going to use him (with the shining spears) as a character hunter type of thing, and didnt realize that an autarch had I6 anyway =D
so he has mandiblasters again.

so another tweak--drop one guardian squad, add 5 guardians and a EMLauncher platform to other one.
switch holofield from F-prism to falcon,
add chainsabers to S.scorpian exarch
1996 total

but can someone who has the jetbike/laserlance/reaperlauncher build autarch post a picture plsss

[BrainDeleted]

I would if I could but no digital camera. Heres a basic layout of the conversion:

Parts:
Autarch blister
1 shining spear model
Green stuff
reaper Launcher

there are two approaches here

1) have the autarch on a bike holding the reaper launcher

2) have the autarch on bike with the reaper launcher mounted in the bike


I went with number 2 cause it looks much cleaner. so heres how I did it:

1) assemble bike

2) Assemble autarch body but with the legs replaced with shining spear legs and the shining spear laser lance arm and use green stuff to make it fit right

3) A link to an article GW did on it they used a fusion gun instead of a reaper launcher but you get the idea...GW mounted the gun outside of the jet bike I cut a hole through the front of it the size of the muzzle of the reaper launcher and cut the launcher in half and stuck it in and with some green stuff it looks more sleek like a jet bike but with a reaper launcher mounted inside it (I like it better then GW's) http://us.games-workshop.com/games/4...ch/default.htm

[experiment 626]

be wary about the reaper launcher idea... as the launcher itself is not mounted, there's alot of debate as to wether or not you can move & fire. (being infantry carried, techniqually you shouldn't be able to...)
go with a fusion gun instead - more anti-tank power plus it's ap1 for either causing an easy wound on an isolated squad before you assault it, or else for taking a wound off of some big ugly gribbly monster!

i'd also work all your squads into even numbers for scoring unit purposes too... you can re-work your bikes from 2x9 into 3x6 strong squads. another scoring unit, and each squad is now smaller meaning it's a bit easier to hide them!

also, tank-hunter is a bit over-kill on the dragons... ap1 & 'melta' is more than enough to kill anything... (also note that again, tank-hunter would be useless against a monolith!)

finally, instead of the brightlance on the falcon, give it the eldar missile launcher... now it can fire on the move, but you still have a S8 gun to fall back on if the pulse laser is hit.

cheers!

[Dan296]

from the 40k rulebook: 1 weapon on a jetbike can always be fired for every rider on the bike. so even if its normally infantry carried, it can still be fired.


so i was thinking about my list again, and came up with two options for me.



HQ-
Autarch w/-mandiblasters, jetbike, laser lance, reaper launcher—153 points

Elites-
5 Fire Dragons, exarch w/firepike, tank hunters-131 (in falcon)
9 striking scorpions, exarch w/ chainsabers, shadowstrike-197

Troops-
6 jetbikes, 2 w/shruiken cannons-152
6 jetbikes, 2 w/shruiken cannons-152
6 jetbikes, 2 w/shruiken cannons-152
9 Dire Avengers, exarch w/two S.catapults, bladestorm.-152
Wave Serpent w/ scatter lasers-115
15 guardians, ERlauncher -140

Fast Attack-
2 vypers w/scatter lasers-120
4 shining spears, exarch w/star lance, withdraw-227

Heavy support-
Fire Prism w/ spirit stones-160
Falcon w/ bright lance, holofeild, spirit stones-145

1996 points

OR

HQ-
Autarch w/-mandiblasters, jetbike, laser lance, reaper launcher—153 points

Elites-
5 Fire Dragons, exarch w/firepike, tank hunters-131 (in falcon)
9 striking scorpions, exarch w/ chainsabers, shadowstrike-197

Troops-
-9 Dire Avengers, exarch w/two S.catapults, bladestorm.-152
Wave Serpent w/ scatter lasers-100
-9 Dire Avengers, exarch w/two S.catapults, bladestorm.-152
Wave Serpent w/ scatter lasers-100
-9 Dire Avengers, exarch w/two S.catapults, bladestorm.-152
Wave Serpent w/ shruiken cannons-100
11 guardians, ERlauncher -116

Fast Attack-
2 vypers w/scatter lasers-120
4 shining spears, exarch w/star lance, withdraw-227

Heavy support-
Fire Prism w/ spirit stones-160
Falcon w/ bright lance, holofeild, spirit stones-145

1997 points

i would use the avengers in a fish of fury type tactic. speed up there, hop out, and bladestorm them in the face. the jetbikes, on the other hand, are faster and tougher.

also, i decided on my colour scheme. main colour is purple, with flames on the front of jetbikes, tanks, and the shoulderpads of all infantry, even aspect warriors as my own touch.

finally, i want a different look for my striking scorpians, but i cant think of anyway to convert them. maybe in different poses, slinking through bushes/camaflouged against buildings and stuff like that.

so watya think about everything? (list, colours, scorpians)

[BrainDeleted]

well it seems you want mobility so both are good...

The Fire dragons I would do one of two things
1) Drop tank hunters 5 melta shots should kill any tank
2) keep tank hunters and give the exarch the dragons breath flamer so they can do a little more after the armor is fried

Scorpions...I would keep the traditional color scheme because its tradition...thats what eldar do. You could do things like different poses and bloodied weapons/armor and dead bodies you coud maybe even put the flames of your craft world on one of their shoulder pads same goes for all aspects

I like the second list better personally but thats just because I never found jetbikes that appealing

two things

Fire Prism w/ spirit stones-160

you payed for holo fields here but didn't list them are you using them personally I don't think they are necessary

Autarch w/-mandiblasters, jetbike, laser lance, reaper launcher—153 points

I keep doing the math and heis 155 points for me?

[Dan296]

GAH
i want mobility yes but i wanted to know which would be better.
of course, this is possible:
Troops-
-9 Dire Avengers, exarch w/two S.catapults, bladestorm.-152
Wave Serpent w/ scatter lasers-100
-9 Dire Avengers, exarch w/two S.catapults, bladestorm.-152
Wave Serpent w/ scatter lasers-100
-9 jetbikes, 3 w/shruiken cannons-258
11 guardians, ERlauncher -116

[BrainDeleted]

I like the mix! the dire avengers and guardians can form your main force and the bikes can mess with your opponent

Its better then one or the other much better IMHO

and save some points get a few more guardians or upgrade the weapons on a wave serpent by:

1) Drop tank hunters 5 melta shots should kill any tank
2) keep tank hunters and give the exarch the dragons breath flamer so they can do a little more after the armor is fried OR just keep the fusion gun

EDIT: actually the fire pikes only 8 points I though it was more...I would just drop tank hunters forget #2

but still:

Fire Prism w/ spirit stones-160

you payed for holo fields here but didn't list them are you using them personally I don't think they are necessary

Autarch w/-mandiblasters, jetbike, laser lance, reaper launcher—153 points

I keep doing the math and heis 155 points for me?

[Dan296]

i forgot about that.
holofeilds are on falcon, not prism.

but for the dragons, i added tank hunters to use up a couple of last points. theyre now basicly using S9 weapons that roll 2d6 to penetrate. just insurance that any armour is gonna be gone

[aquaknight14]

Just because you give your HQ a bike and a weapon doesnt mean that weapon is mounted on the bike. For the best example about this you would have to read the chaos bikes section in their codex.

[BrainDeleted]

he cen still fire it whether its mounted or he is holding it

[hairyyahoo]

yeah but if its a heavy weapon would he have to sit still to do so?

[BrainDeleted]

nope jet bike let you fire even if you move and assault no matter what you shootin