damn you death company....

[qwertyblarg]

i need help beating petes death company. the rest of the game goes well fairly evenly matched, down to the wire and then chaplain lem lem and the death company makes it in to combat and more often than not i lose. i can take on the rest of his army and usually win but if he can get his death company in im screwed. any advice for the space puppy? any really dirty methods of dealing with the frothing maniacs?

[Warmaster Romulas]

from your post i assume you play wolves
what has worked for space wolves in the past is trow a
big blood claw pack (12-14) at them(make sure you charge them)
even if you dont kill them all you can tie them up for turns
it keeps them off of your other capture squads

[thebarnet]

yeah peteys death company have got a bit of a rep in GW leic

[Lord Commander Erus]

Also... Long fang squads packed full of lascannons. I don't think Feel No Pain works w/ instant death

[Warmaster Romulas]

nopenot against instant kills
or power weapons
which the blood claws can have a few of

[thebarnet]

any ordanaice wepon should spoil the death companys day

[The Sword 88]

Missile launcher or lascannons or a big pack of blood calaws with lots of power weapons

[qwertyblarg]

the heavy weapons can be better used elsewhere and i prefer plasma anyway....
and ben WHAT ORDINANCE????you know my list. no ordinance and besides space wolves.
petey has fallen or that befoer with the blood claws and now ties them up with his assault squads on the charge.ive already tried healing balms in with the unit but doesnt really work against gribble.....

[Petey1016]

I must admit when im playing you nick i do get fairly disgusting tactics wise. The last time he put a pack of long fangs on the board I lascannon sniped his pack leader with a razorback, Nicks face was a picture.
Well coming from me i would say..... SHOOT them when you get the chance or give up and join the Blood angels . I tend to try and keep them away from getting shot at using my rhino, Razorback, Land Raider and Dreadnaught.
The Blood claws dont work as i Always make sure i charge them so as to kill those bloody power weapons.

Anyway good luck finding a way round them, they mowed Zeb down in the game i played with him and ben just gets raped, nick gives me a fight then just dies.

-Petey, wishing that my death company tear you limb from limb yet again.

[Lord Commander Erus]

Originally Posted by Petey1016

I must admit when im playing you nick i do get fairly disgusting tactics wise. The last time he put a pack of long fangs on the board I lascannon sniped his pack leader with a razorback, Nicks face was a picture.
Well coming from me i would say..... SHOOT them when you get the chance or give up and join the Blood angels . I tend to try and keep them away from getting shot at using my rhino, Razorback, Land Raider and Dreadnaught.
The Blood claws dont work as i Always make sure i charge them so as to kill those bloody power weapons.

Anyway good luck finding a way round them, they mowed Zeb down in the game i played with him and ben just gets raped, nick gives me a fight then just dies.

-Petey, wishing that my death company tear you limb from limb yet again.

How do you lascannon snipe exactly?

[Warmaster Romulas]

Originally Posted by Lord Commander Erus

How do you lascannon snipe exactly?

im thinking it was the only member in the LOS
but ither than that i want to know also

[Petey1016]

your right rom, i made sure his pack leader was only one in LOS so i could only kill him. Pissed nick off no end.

[Krom_stormbrow]

I hate to say it... Again Erus... leave the long fangs at home for that exact reason, as soon as you loose the pack leader, they become defunct.

The best way to focus on troops as the death company is a pack of 10 gh armed with power weapons, plasma gun and two plasma pistols (all with ccw) and it's costly you'll be 220pts +. Unload full auto on his ass. Back these guys up with either a pred or a dread with assault cannon and a missle launcher - again, full auto at them. You've got to make sure his rhino either goes pop and they need to walk or that there's so few of them when they arrive after the long walk, you wan make kingling out of the remnants.

What's the rest of the force make up on the BA side? It's difficult to offer advice for just a single squad. As I can say, face your entire force against them and your on a winner, but if the attention is diverted from other equally offensive units, it would be fruitless.

*edit*

How do you target his power weapons on the charge, exactly?

[qwertyblarg]

i've got a solution. bit pricey but may work. i was watching a game on saturday when someone elses death company charged a squad of grey knighhts and was tied up for enough turns for the rest of the army to finish off the rest of the blood angels and then kill the death company. because they are fearless,s6 ws 5 and are difficult to shoot they seem to be a good choice on paper but are they in your opinion any good as a choice for points or was the kid lucky.

ps missed the bus anyway on sat pete. chased it for a couple of streets and then caught it at the traffic lights. still wouldnt let me on.
also because there are no SW colours or heads i am protesting this injustice by having a background as my avatar.

[Krom_stormbrow]

It's ok, but as you say... very costly points wise and is not very fluffy... SW are very suspicious of those inquisition types. Poking their noses in where they are not needed.

[qwertyblarg]

yes but grey knights are not actually technically part of the inquisition. and they have done before. armageddon i believe...... and i wouldn't be using inquisitor types. they stick their noses in to sw's business. grey knights just kill stuff no nose poking.

[Krom_stormbrow]

Unfortunately GK are part of the inquisition. They are the ordos malleus. the military arm of the daemon hunters.

You can do, just not fluffy

[qwertyblarg]

but technically. they arent. they are the chamber militant. checked the fluff. the fluff says in Grey Knights that grey knights aren't part of the inquisition, they are as independent as DA or SW and that they remain with the inquisition as their chamber militant because that is the best way to find and destroy the daemons. So the fluff says that i could take grey knight swithout it being fluffy but would be stupidly expensive. btw its just an argument between you and me isnt it?

[mrjjourden]

Qwertyblarg.....why are you engaging other Marines in Combat? Fratracide is an unforgivable sin.....Granted I have only been playing 40k for about a year (since I left it in second edition)....however, I am never short of Blasphemous opponents for my Divergent Chapter of Ultramarines - Legio Perdanus - to wreck havoc upon....

[Petey1016]

Originally Posted by Krom_stormbrow

I hate to say it... Again Erus... leave the long fangs at home for that exact reason, as soon as you loose the pack leader, they become defunct.

The best way to focus on troops as the death company is a pack of 10 gh armed with power weapons, plasma gun and two plasma pistols (all with ccw) and it's costly you'll be 220pts +. Unload full auto on his ass. Back these guys up with either a pred or a dread with assault cannon and a missle launcher - again, full auto at them. You've got to make sure his rhino either goes pop and they need to walk or that there's so few of them when they arrive after the long walk, you wan make kingling out of the remnants.

What's the rest of the force make up on the BA side? It's difficult to offer advice for just a single squad. As I can say, face your entire force against them and your on a winner, but if the attention is diverted from other equally offensive units, it would be fruitless.

*edit*

How do you target his power weapons on the charge, exactly?

I am I5 on the charge and i kill everything in the kill zone, i dont necessarily kill all of them but i do take them out from hurting me.

The army i run at 1000pts is:

Chaplain Lem Lem (Lemartes)
3 death Co. 1 paid jump packs
Tac squad w/ Fist and flamer (10 dudes)
Rhino w/ dozer blade
Tac squad w/ Fist (10 dudes)
Dreadnought w/ Lascannon and Hvy Flamer

BUT sometimes i switch half a tac squad a death Co marine and summat else (im workin from memory here as list is about 10 metres away and i cba) for a land raider, wait no i sometimes run this list,

Chappy normal w/ jump pack
Tac squad w/ fist and flamer (10 dudes)
rhino
tac squad w/ fist (5 dudes)
Land raider
Dreadnought w/ stuff (still 10 metres away from list).

1500pts is a whole different kettle of fish though as i run several different lists, i create one for each 1000pts and 1500pts in the morning before i go to GW then i just use them.

i agree with mrjjourden thpugh marine vs marine combats are boring and unfluffy hehe.

[Krom_stormbrow]

Originally Posted by qwertyblarg

but technically. they arent. they are the chamber militant. checked the fluff. the fluff says in Grey Knights that grey knights aren't part of the inquisition, they are as independent as DA or SW and that they remain with the inquisition as their chamber militant because that is the best way to find and destroy the daemons. So the fluff says that i could take grey knight swithout it being fluffy but would be stupidly expensive. btw its just an argument between you and me isnt it?

'Tis between us and I wouldn't call it an arguement... just nailing out fluff.

If you read the space wolf fluff though, and 2nd ed fluff they make it clear they hold great suspicion of anything =][= related, be it an inquisitor or their chamber militant.



Anyway back to the actual reason we're here. To get you beating the flea bag BA player Petey

Firstly... I'm looking at a point sink player (2nd list anyway).

First thing to remember is you will never outnumber him... never! But you can get close to his numbers.

NO 'dex in front of me so this is rough and soething you need to play with.

2 packs of grey hunters (8 per squad)
plasma x 2
pp x 4
pw x 4
rhino x (ea + smoke)

Rune priest (keep him dirt cheap)
frost blade + CotS

wolf scouts x 4
melta
pp x 2
bp
all ccw
melta bombs

And if you can fit it in a ven dread (ass can + missle launcher) (marked as HQ)

So here's the scam...

Attach rune priest to 1 squad of GH and spend the entire game casting stormcaller on them or the other GH squad.

These guys should hold the line. Use rhinos as cover in this case. Drive his death company to need to fill through small spaces. Create your own firing lines. If needed, put 1 squad of GH in front of the others and use stormcaller on the front squad. When he charges, you'll counter attack and strike first, due to being in cover.

Big thing to remember is to whittle his numbers down before combat occurs.

Use the dread close to these guys and fire at the DC permanently.

This game is all about target prioritising. take them out, move onto the tac squad.

Whilst all that is going on, scouts OBEL to engage his dread (this is going to be sole priority for these chaps). They are equipped to be tank hunters. and nothing else.

And lemartes. If he's still around he doesn't deserve to be! If he is, your rune priest will give him a seeing to.

So final thoughts on the list.

If you have points spare to pile into the list, bulk the GH squads to 10 (It's unlikely, you'll have the points... but you might)

Consider a WGPL on the wolf scouts (bolter/melta + TH)

This should hopefully help.

[Petey1016]

i should now mention nick has a fetish with wolf guard and takes at least 1 unit with the re-rolls and a libby thing or Chappy thing ALWAYS, i use this to my advantage as i know that they are a point sink and i whittle them down 1 by 1.

I have only thought about using raiders in 1000pts since i read the way of the water warrior on the BnC. Now Krom another problem playing me is i dont commit to combat unless i know i can win it so hehe Good luck trying to whittle me down when i have a raider, rhino and dread to hide behind.

[Krom_stormbrow]

Not a problem.

Things like that go boom very easily.

And you have spent so many points on those you have very few points to spend on troops. Easy to mop up. Side note: your BA will be Death Company will be wasted against most opponents then. If your not getting them in combat they are just waiting whilst they get mowed down. Catch22. Not engaging, being mowed down and not having enough troopers to guarantee a win. So not engaging and getting mowed down.

As for QWERTYBLARG. You've just answered why he's failing to beat you. He he sinks points into units that don't belong in 1000pts games.

I never see units of wolf guard appear in any of my lists until I've hit 1500pts at least. WGBL yes, WGPL, maybe, WGBG, rarely.

[Petey1016]

i can sacrifice the rhino, the raider and dread well it depends on what mission. The DC only engage when close enough and have support so when playing a shooty army i get close then pile in with 2-3 units guaranteeing a win in combat (i love frags as basic). Most of the time i win games in turn 6 by parking a 250pts Land Raider on the objective hehe.

I reckon Stormbrow that yes YOU could probably beat me but Nick is not going to as long as those Wolf guard termies are on the board.