Necron and Phasing out - 40K Terra

vinny · 04-04-2007

Sorry to be a pain.
in the codex for the Necs it says that you do the bringing back of troops at the start of the Necs turn. If the necrons fall below 75% in the turn and the turn ends (game ends) so there is no Nec next turn do they phase out if under 75%. I know it sounds funny but in a game when the Nec's where at under 75% they won the game as the game ended on turn 4 but they only had 8 figs left on the table from 45 figures.

experiment 626 · 04-04-2007

the necron player will always get a chance to make any "we'll be back" rolls before phase out is calculated...

so say for example, the necron player started the game with 48 'necron' models.
at the begining of turn 4, there are only 7 'necron' models still standing, however, there are 6 'necrons' down who can make their WBB roll. if the necron player can pass 5 or all 6 of those rolls, then the game will continue as the necrons will still have 12 or 13 models 'necrons' left!
if the 'cron player fails more than 2 rolls however, the game will end and the remaining necrons will phase out...

cheers!

vinny · 04-04-2007

Hi 626 thanks for the info but I dont think I explained myself fully. At the end of turn 4 the Nec player had only 6 figs left way below his 75% phasing out figure. We roled for end of game and the game finished. The Nec player was way under 75% but due to the fact that he was not alowed to make his we will be back rols he did not phase out and so we had a draw. It just seams unusual that the player could be down to just 1 figure and still stay on the table.

experiment 626 · 04-04-2007

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Originally Posted by vinny

Hi 626 thanks for the info but I dont think I explained myself fully. At the end of turn 4 the Nec player had only 6 figs left way below his 75% phasing out figure. We roled for end of game and the game finished. The Nec player was way under 75% but due to the fact that he was not alowed to make his we will be back rols he did not phase out and so we had a draw. It just seams unusual that the player could be down to just 1 figure and still stay on the table.

hmmmmm... so the game ended at the end of turn 4 meaning no turn 5??? if that's the case, then he would phase out as he's below 25% and there's no chance for him to make his WBB rolls!

same as if say a game its full 6 turns and at the end of the turn if the necrons are below 25% they lose automatically as they don't get the chance to make any WBB rolls.

cheers!

MSguardsmen · 04-04-2007

alright so let me get this straight. you were up against a necron player. you wiped out more then enough of his troops by the end of turn four that he should have already phased out. however since you or him forgot (or whatever reason you have) to phase out and end the game then you or him are to blame for the countinuance of the game.

now also if i recall correctly phase out only applies to the number of warriors you have and no other models.

04-04-2007

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Originally Posted by MSguardsmen

alright so let me get this straight. you were up against a necron player. you wiped out more then enough of his troops by the end of turn four that he should have already phased out. however since you or him forgot (or whatever reason you have) to phase out and end the game then you or him are to blame for the countinuance of the game.

now also if i recall correctly phase out only applies to the number of warriors you have and no other models.

Not warriors... I know there are other models that do so, but not sure.

Imperial Commander Gent · 04-04-2007

Ok, here is how that situation works, the necron phase out rule says at the start of the necron players next turn, they roll well be back. If they do not have another turn and are below the phase out number, they do not automatically phase out. This is because they phase at the beginning of their turn after well be back rolls. If they do not get another turn, they can not phase out. Their phase out does not happen on your turn. It can only happen on their turn, after they take well be back rolls. So, the game ends and they are below the phase out number, they still dont phase out because they did not have a chance to take any more well be back rolls and did not have another turn so they can not phase out.

I have had this situation before and this was the decision that was made because of what they guys at GW said. We called the rules boys line and that is the way that Dureke Sanchez explained it to us.

MSguardsmen · 04-04-2007

well that ends up this misconseption.

vinny · 04-05-2007

Hi all.
I have just had the info from GW head office. The Phasing out rule only aplies at the start of the necrons turn not the turn he is reduced to below 75%. If the turn ends (random game length) the army does not phase out. Thhanks to all who looked into this and happy gaming.

Stubber · 04-05-2007

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Originally Posted by Lord Commander Erus

Not warriors... I know there are other models that do so, but not sure.

The rule's apply to all units with the Necron special rules.
This includes Lords, Immortals, Flayed Ones, Warriors, Wraiths, Destroyers and Heavy Destroyers.

lynxrpken · 03-31-2008

if there is a unit not subject to this rule on the table and the rest of the army phases out does he stay and fight or is the game over

SlavetotheMachine · 04-16-2008

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Originally Posted by lynxrpken

if there is a unit not subject to this rule on the table and the rest of the army phases out does he stay and fight or is the game over

The whole army phases out. So, your Spiders, scarabs, and any C'Tan cruising around leave with the rest of the army.

Drax · 04-17-2008

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Originally Posted by SlavetotheMachine

The whole army phases out. So, your Spiders, scarabs, and any C'Tan cruising around leave with the rest of the army.

exactly! not that it matters because if the phase out occurs, the game ends immediately and the necron's opponent automatically wins

04-04-2007	#1 (permalink)
vinny Trooper Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 58 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Necron and Phasing out Sorry to be a pain. in the codex for the Necs it says that you do the bringing back of troops at the start of the Necs turn. If the necrons fall below 75% in the turn and the turn ends (game ends) so there is no Nec next turn do they phase out if under 75%. I know it sounds funny but in a game when the Nec's where at under 75% they won the game as the game ended on turn 4 but they only had 8 figs left on the table from 45 figures.

04-04-2007	#2 (permalink)
experiment 626 Filthy, Dirty Radical Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: lost in a blizzard, somewhere near toronto! Posts: 3,050 Rep Power: 4 Thanks: 34 Thanked 275 Times in 203 Posts	the necron player will always get a chance to make any "we'll be back" rolls before phase out is calculated... so say for example, the necron player started the game with 48 'necron' models. at the begining of turn 4, there are only 7 'necron' models still standing, however, there are 6 'necrons' down who can make their WBB roll. if the necron player can pass 5 or all 6 of those rolls, then the game will continue as the necrons will still have 12 or 13 models 'necrons' left! if the 'cron player fails more than 2 rolls however, the game will end and the remaining necrons will phase out... cheers! __________________ "Who are you to question my methods?! A 'Puritan' is simply a coward who hides behind a veil of pretended faith and denounces his loyal brother as a traitor out of simple jealousy!" - Inquisitor Odion

04-04-2007	#5 (permalink)
MSguardsmen Corporal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Titan Posts: 406 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	alright so let me get this straight. you were up against a necron player. you wiped out more then enough of his troops by the end of turn four that he should have already phased out. however since you or him forgot (or whatever reason you have) to phase out and end the game then you or him are to blame for the countinuance of the game. now also if i recall correctly phase out only applies to the number of warriors you have and no other models. __________________

04-04-2007	#7 (permalink)
Imperial Commander Gent Your Local Ori Prior Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: According to some I dont actually exist, or I am not a real person! Posts: 883 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 91 Thanked 31 Times in 28 Posts	Ok, here is how that situation works, the necron phase out rule says at the start of the necron players next turn, they roll well be back. If they do not have another turn and are below the phase out number, they do not automatically phase out. This is because they phase at the beginning of their turn after well be back rolls. If they do not get another turn, they can not phase out. Their phase out does not happen on your turn. It can only happen on their turn, after they take well be back rolls. So, the game ends and they are below the phase out number, they still dont phase out because they did not have a chance to take any more well be back rolls and did not have another turn so they can not phase out. I have had this situation before and this was the decision that was made because of what they guys at GW said. We called the rules boys line and that is the way that Dureke Sanchez explained it to us. __________________ Hallowed are the Ori. Hallowed are the children of the Ori. Hallowed are we; hallowed are the Ori. Those who seek the path to enlightenment must not be led astray! Believe in the truth of all things and you too may find the path to enlightenment. Those who stray must be guided back to the path. Those who abandon the path are evil. Those who reject the path to enlightenment, must be destroyed. Enemies of the Ori show no mercy in their attempts to draw believers away from the path

04-04-2007	#8 (permalink)
MSguardsmen Corporal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Titan Posts: 406 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	well that ends up this misconseption. __________________

04-04-2007	#3 (permalink)
vinny Trooper Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 58 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Hi 626 thanks for the info but I dont think I explained myself fully. At the end of turn 4 the Nec player had only 6 figs left way below his 75% phasing out figure. We roled for end of game and the game finished. The Nec player was way under 75% but due to the fact that he was not alowed to make his we will be back rols he did not phase out and so we had a draw. It just seams unusual that the player could be down to just 1 figure and still stay on the table.

04-05-2007	#9 (permalink)
vinny Trooper Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 58 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Hi all. I have just had the info from GW head office. The Phasing out rule only aplies at the start of the necrons turn not the turn he is reduced to below 75%. If the turn ends (random game length) the army does not phase out. Thhanks to all who looked into this and happy gaming.

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