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infiniti · 11-12-2006

what do people think of the new army box and what it is showing of the new empire after the new army list is on sale

DeAd_cOmMaNdO · 11-12-2006

you mean what people think about the steampunkification of the empire?

i know a lot of people who hate things like the steam horse, the clockwork cherubim and the rocket artillery thing.

I cant say im a big fan of the rocket thing, though the clockwork horse, cherubim as well as the artwork depicting a travelling automata menagerie in carnival-style is very interesting. and warhammer is considered steampunk anyway, and advancing the technology base of the empire cant really be an entirely bad thing.

can it?

as regards the army book itself, most of what ive seen seems sound, rules wise

and models - im still unsure about the new state troops. the moor-influenced banner is going straight in my marine army

and the outriders look nice too. ive seen versions of the army box with state troops and one without. i think the one without is an old one and after poor fan reaction GWdecided to include the state troops for 'free'? not sure

infiniti · 11-12-2006

what steamhorse and things where did you find out about them i have not seen any previues of them

DeAd_cOmMaNdO · 11-12-2006

youll see them soon enough

next month or so i presume

Mr Nude · 12-01-2006

Yeah the empire seems to be going through an industrial revolution, they even have printing machines!(the blasphemy) The new outriders are great models, repeater hanguns with bs4! Only -1 negative modifier for multiple shots! Even if you fire 3 times.

DeAd_cOmMaNdO · 12-01-2006

they have a printing press? thats slightly more understandable than steam horses, steam cherubim and G**DAMNED powder Monkeys!!!

Mr Nude · 12-01-2006

Not to mention the pidgeon bombs!

DeAd_cOmMaNdO · 12-01-2006

i like pidgeon bombs, since they fit in with the pseudo-reinasance feel that their technology has, which is based on real military research of italy in the late 16th century. I also like the steamtank and the idea of the steamhorse, but the model just sucks imho.

and the rocket artillery weapon is just a step too far i think

Mr Nude · 12-01-2006

True the introduction of rocket based weaponry might be pushing it a bit, i mean its not 40k, keep it real GW! Well as real as a fantasy universe... I love the new empire general plastic kit, especially the battle standard bearer with the grim reaper standard.

DeAd_cOmMaNdO · 12-01-2006

yep, though i think its strange how the battle standard bearer of an empire army should be carrying a banner dedicated to Morr - id expect sigmar.

im starling that icon for my Angels of Censure space marines as soon as that box comes out

Mr Nude · 12-01-2006

the empire general boxset is released on the 6th of january here in northern europe, i reseved my army deal which is released on saturday the 9th of december. Only 8 days to go!

DeAd_cOmMaNdO · 12-01-2006

let us know about the new models when you get them - i want all the details

Mr Nude · 12-01-2006

Will do! Ill see about postin some pics.

experiment 626 · 12-02-2006

well, overall i like the look of the new empire - it's a very tasty cross between renaisance and high-steam tech style look...
the new heroes kit is jaw-dropingly good! i'm hoping they'll be some new wizard sculps too, but i doubt it sadly...

the only thing i'm not too crazy about is the new-look state troops. they look like they're leaning a little too far forwards, plus those feathers are fething HUGE!!!

i'll still be getting enough for a spearman unit though, as i really hate the current 1-piece models a heck of alot more!

i haven't yet had a chance to see/hear any of the rules changes, but i'm hopefull that i can still pull off my themed army of a powerful amethyst wizard's personal household guard

(inlucding converted knights of morr!)

cheers!

Mr Nude · 12-03-2006

Yeah you should be fine, lord level wizards are still there, the knight models are stayin the same though. The new battle priests of sigmar are soooo cool!

hairyyahoo · 12-03-2006

does anyone know if they will be re-doing flagellents and greatswords?

DeAd_cOmMaNdO · 12-03-2006

not to my knowledge, but falgellants have some great new rules to support them, my fave being theyare no longer 0-1 and i think one unit can be core

Mr Nude · 12-03-2006

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Originally Posted by hairyyahoo

does anyone know if they will be re-doing flagellents and greatswords?

Im afraid were stuck with the current flaggelants and great swords for now. Well the great swords arent bad, im converting my own flaggelants from chaos marauders.

experiment 626 · 12-03-2006

just to be persistant! how about new wizards besides the special one in the army box?

though i have a feeling we're stuck with the current ones...

cheers!

Mr Nude · 12-03-2006

Hm i glanced through the army book hobby section and the only new wizard model is the army deal one. But as the whole empire range is being re-released im sure we'll be seeing new wizard models by summer.

hairyyahoo · 12-12-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Nude

True the introduction of rocket based weaponry might be pushing it a bit, i mean its not 40k, keep it real GW! Well as real as a fantasy universe... I love the new empire general plastic kit, especially the battle standard bearer with the grim reaper standard.

actually this is not the first piece of rocketry we've seen in warhammer. wasn't there a chaos dwarf rocket launcher back in the day? anyone else remember this? you're right though it does seem a bit out of place.

the new warrior priests rock big time!

experiment 626 · 12-12-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by hairyyahoo

actually this is not the first piece of rocketry we've seen in warhammer. wasn't there a chaos dwarf rocket launcher back in the day? anyone else remember this? you're right though it does seem a bit out of place.

the new warrior priests rock big time!

the model itself looks far too cartoony imho... you can check it out on the uk website.

and yes, i do remember the old doom rockets and earthshaker cannons or whatever they were of the tall-hat, evil dwarves

cheers!

Mr Nude · 12-12-2006

Ah i got my army deal on saturday. Pretty sweet, hopefully il get 2000pts done for the Irish gt in march.

experiment 626 · 12-12-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Nude

Ah i got my army deal on saturday. Pretty sweet, hopefully il get 2000pts done for the Irish gt in march.

okay, don't keep us in suspense any longer mate! what are the new outrider sprues like?!!
i've seen the new character sprues - i love the new 'angel of death' banner

sooooooo freakin cool!

anything you can tell us yet about the new army book - i've heard rummors that most of the core troops have come down ever so slightly in pts costs?!!

cheers!

DeAd_cOmMaNdO · 12-12-2006

DAMN YOU!!! show the sprues NOW!!!

ahem..., on another note, the chinese were using rockets in warface as far back as 1200. i think what the problem is with the empire rocket is that it doesnt look like its from the reneissance, and it doesnt look like a prototype or experimental weapon - it looks like a decades old tried-and-tested thing, which just isnt right.

the clockwork horse again, is a cool idea, but i think the model just looks like a horse in full plate armour (with pistons!!!! now those are out of place). itsa cool idea, like the clockwork cherubim, but just not executed well enough as models.

hairyyahoo · 12-12-2006

please, for the love of god, tell me that the swordsmen still have a better statline than other state troops!

DeAd_cOmMaNdO · 12-12-2006

yes, i loved the better profile, which makes sense given theyre duellists and swashbucklers and more experienced in combat than 'mere' state troops.

Mr Nude · 12-12-2006

Yeah the swordsmen have ws4 and i4 and theyre only 6pts, 1 point more expensive than the spearmen and halberdiers, the new outrider sprue is awesome, apparently its a revolutionary thing since its a triple sprue(pistoliers and outriders) or something along those lines, the local gw manager here was very excited about it.

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experiment 626 Filthy, Dirty Radical Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: lost in a blizzard, somewhere near toronto! Posts: 3,050 Rep Power: 4 Thanks: 34 Thanked 275 Times in 203 Posts	well, overall i like the look of the new empire - it's a very tasty cross between renaisance and high-steam tech style look... the new heroes kit is jaw-dropingly good! i'm hoping they'll be some new wizard sculps too, but i doubt it sadly... the only thing i'm not too crazy about is the new-look state troops. they look like they're leaning a little too far forwards, plus those feathers are fething HUGE!!! i'll still be getting enough for a spearman unit though, as i really hate the current 1-piece models a heck of alot more! i haven't yet had a chance to see/hear any of the rules changes, but i'm hopefull that i can still pull off my themed army of a powerful amethyst wizard's personal household guard (inlucding converted knights of morr!) cheers! __________________ "Who are you to question my methods?! A 'Puritan' is simply a coward who hides behind a veil of pretended faith and denounces his loyal brother as a traitor out of simple jealousy!" - Inquisitor Odion

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experiment 626 Filthy, Dirty Radical Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: lost in a blizzard, somewhere near toronto! Posts: 3,050 Rep Power: 4 Thanks: 34 Thanked 275 Times in 203 Posts	just to be persistant! how about new wizards besides the special one in the army box? though i have a feeling we're stuck with the current ones... cheers! __________________ "Who are you to question my methods?! A 'Puritan' is simply a coward who hides behind a veil of pretended faith and denounces his loyal brother as a traitor out of simple jealousy!" - Inquisitor Odion

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11-12-2006	#2 (permalink)
DeAd_cOmMaNdO Conscript Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 88 Thanked 62 Times in 69 Posts Blog Entries: 5	you mean what people think about the steampunkification of the empire? i know a lot of people who hate things like the steam horse, the clockwork cherubim and the rocket artillery thing. I cant say im a big fan of the rocket thing, though the clockwork horse, cherubim as well as the artwork depicting a travelling automata menagerie in carnival-style is very interesting. and warhammer is considered steampunk anyway, and advancing the technology base of the empire cant really be an entirely bad thing. can it? as regards the army book itself, most of what ive seen seems sound, rules wise and models - im still unsure about the new state troops. the moor-influenced banner is going straight in my marine army and the outriders look nice too. ive seen versions of the army box with state troops and one without. i think the one without is an old one and after poor fan reaction GWdecided to include the state troops for 'free'? not sure

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DeAd_cOmMaNdO Conscript Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 88 Thanked 62 Times in 69 Posts Blog Entries: 5	youll see them soon enough next month or so i presume

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Mr Nude Trooper Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dublin Posts: 53 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Yeah the empire seems to be going through an industrial revolution, they even have printing machines!(the blasphemy) The new outriders are great models, repeater hanguns with bs4! Only -1 negative modifier for multiple shots! Even if you fire 3 times.

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DeAd_cOmMaNdO Conscript Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 88 Thanked 62 Times in 69 Posts Blog Entries: 5	they have a printing press? thats slightly more understandable than steam horses, steam cherubim and G**DAMNED powder Monkeys!!!

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Mr Nude Trooper Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dublin Posts: 53 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Not to mention the pidgeon bombs!

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DeAd_cOmMaNdO Conscript Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 88 Thanked 62 Times in 69 Posts Blog Entries: 5	i like pidgeon bombs, since they fit in with the pseudo-reinasance feel that their technology has, which is based on real military research of italy in the late 16th century. I also like the steamtank and the idea of the steamhorse, but the model just sucks imho. and the rocket artillery weapon is just a step too far i think

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Mr Nude Trooper Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dublin Posts: 53 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	True the introduction of rocket based weaponry might be pushing it a bit, i mean its not 40k, keep it real GW! Well as real as a fantasy universe... I love the new empire general plastic kit, especially the battle standard bearer with the grim reaper standard.

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DeAd_cOmMaNdO Conscript Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 88 Thanked 62 Times in 69 Posts Blog Entries: 5	yep, though i think its strange how the battle standard bearer of an empire army should be carrying a banner dedicated to Morr - id expect sigmar. im starling that icon for my Angels of Censure space marines as soon as that box comes out

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Mr Nude Trooper Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dublin Posts: 53 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	the empire general boxset is released on the 6th of january here in northern europe, i reseved my army deal which is released on saturday the 9th of december. Only 8 days to go!

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DeAd_cOmMaNdO Conscript Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 88 Thanked 62 Times in 69 Posts Blog Entries: 5	let us know about the new models when you get them - i want all the details

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Mr Nude Trooper Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dublin Posts: 53 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Will do! Ill see about postin some pics.

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Mr Nude Trooper Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dublin Posts: 53 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Yeah you should be fine, lord level wizards are still there, the knight models are stayin the same though. The new battle priests of sigmar are soooo cool!

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DeAd_cOmMaNdO Conscript Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 88 Thanked 62 Times in 69 Posts Blog Entries: 5	not to my knowledge, but falgellants have some great new rules to support them, my fave being theyare no longer 0-1 and i think one unit can be core

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Mr Nude Trooper Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dublin Posts: 53 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Hm i glanced through the army book hobby section and the only new wizard model is the army deal one. But as the whole empire range is being re-released im sure we'll be seeing new wizard models by summer.

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Mr Nude Trooper Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dublin Posts: 53 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Ah i got my army deal on saturday. Pretty sweet, hopefully il get 2000pts done for the Irish gt in march.

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DeAd_cOmMaNdO Conscript Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 88 Thanked 62 Times in 69 Posts Blog Entries: 5	DAMN YOU!!! show the sprues NOW!!! ahem..., on another note, the chinese were using rockets in warface as far back as 1200. i think what the problem is with the empire rocket is that it doesnt look like its from the reneissance, and it doesnt look like a prototype or experimental weapon - it looks like a decades old tried-and-tested thing, which just isnt right. the clockwork horse again, is a cool idea, but i think the model just looks like a horse in full plate armour (with pistons!!!! now those are out of place). itsa cool idea, like the clockwork cherubim, but just not executed well enough as models.

12-12-2006	#27 (permalink)
DeAd_cOmMaNdO Conscript Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 88 Thanked 62 Times in 69 Posts Blog Entries: 5	yes, i loved the better profile, which makes sense given theyre duellists and swashbucklers and more experienced in combat than 'mere' state troops.

12-12-2006	#28 (permalink)
Mr Nude Trooper Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dublin Posts: 53 Rep Power: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Yeah the swordsmen have ws4 and i4 and theyre only 6pts, 1 point more expensive than the spearmen and halberdiers, the new outrider sprue is awesome, apparently its a revolutionary thing since its a triple sprue(pistoliers and outriders) or something along those lines, the local gw manager here was very excited about it.