Empire Halbediers, Useless? - 40K Terra

Luisjoey · 11-06-2007

Well i have a unit of halbediers, but i see them a little useless against enemies because they lack or good armor save and is only useful when charging to use the halberd +1.

Do you think that Spearmen and Swordmen (with shields) are fair better? One attack in two ranks and the other have save 4+ ???

There is any hope for halberdiers in combat? or just useless? please help me find out

experiment 626 · 11-06-2007

halberdiers make great detachments... use 9 of them in a 3x3 formation for removing the enemy's rank bonus while also limiting the number of attacks you'll recive back.
the +1S is decent against most infantry, but it's pointless against most heavy cavalry...

the reason for the 3x3 formation is because it really screws over the cavalry charge! your opponent likely won't have a model that's able to attack your halberdiers unless they give-up an attack on your main block!
against regular infantry, you'll only contact upto 3 enemies at most, so again, your halberdiers are only going to take 2-3 enemy attacks back if you fail to kill anything with them...

as for parent units, the choice depends on the unit's role;
a) defensive unit which is more likely to get charged: spearmen.
b) offensive unit you want to try and charge with: swordsmen.

cheers!

Luisjoey · 11-06-2007

thank you a lot friend!

I didn´t knew i could do 3X3 formation... seems like a nice trick to me.

I have empire army and no single swordmen but a unit of halbediers.

experiment 626 · 11-06-2007

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Originally Posted by Luisjoey

thank you a lot friend!

I didn´t knew i could do 3X3 formation... seems like a nice trick to me.

I have empire army and no single swordmen but a unit of halbediers.

no problems! that's the joys of these forums; to share knowledge and help eachother out!

keep in mind too that the 3x3 also helps save on space in your deployment zone, which with the empire, can get pretty crowed as our troops are so cheap!

cheers!

Luisjoey · 11-06-2007

yes! thats true! you field almost 10 guys but save some space that always is needed

Sir James Bloodfang · 11-06-2007

Like Experiment 626 said they make great detachments. I wouldn't use them any other way myself.

Brother_Ambrose · 03-13-2008

swords or free company make better detachments... I guess you know who voted for useless...lol

experiment 626 · 03-13-2008

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Originally Posted by Brother_Ambrose

swords or free company make better detachments... I guess you know who voted for useless...lol

if find it depends... against dwarves for example with their typical 3+ saves, the S4 of the halberd is decent for knocking down one or two on the flanks...

mainly though, i use a few detachments of halberdiers as they're supposed to be the staple weapon of the empire! too bad they make such terrible parent units.

cheers!

Imperial Commander Gent · 03-13-2008

I will heartily agree that halbadiers do make horrible parent units, but when used as a detachment, they tend to be much more useful. The best parent units that the empire has are the swordsmen and the spearmen, though Handgunners as parent units with free company or archer screens make them a very effective unit!

Luisjoey · 03-13-2008

until they are charged XD

Imperial Commander Gent · 03-14-2008

Let them charge so that I can stand and fire hand guns and flank charge them with free company who will be striking first!

View Poll Results: Halbediers
Are useless	2	28.57%
Are useful	5	71.43%
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11-06-2007	#1 (permalink)
Luisjoey Trooper Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Caracas / Venezuela Posts: 186 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 42 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Empire Halbediers, Useless? Well i have a unit of halbediers, but i see them a little useless against enemies because they lack or good armor save and is only useful when charging to use the halberd +1. Do you think that Spearmen and Swordmen (with shields) are fair better? One attack in two ranks and the other have save 4+ ??? There is any hope for halberdiers in combat? or just useless? please help me find out __________________ I serve the God Emperor! Visit Calabozo Criollo Forums Venezuelan site for RPG and Miniatures

11-06-2007	#2 (permalink)
experiment 626 Filthy, Dirty Radical Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: lost in a blizzard, somewhere near toronto! Posts: 3,050 Rep Power: 4 Thanks: 34 Thanked 275 Times in 203 Posts	halberdiers make great detachments... use 9 of them in a 3x3 formation for removing the enemy's rank bonus while also limiting the number of attacks you'll recive back. the +1S is decent against most infantry, but it's pointless against most heavy cavalry... the reason for the 3x3 formation is because it really screws over the cavalry charge! your opponent likely won't have a model that's able to attack your halberdiers unless they give-up an attack on your main block! against regular infantry, you'll only contact upto 3 enemies at most, so again, your halberdiers are only going to take 2-3 enemy attacks back if you fail to kill anything with them... as for parent units, the choice depends on the unit's role; a) defensive unit which is more likely to get charged: spearmen. b) offensive unit you want to try and charge with: swordsmen. cheers! __________________ "Who are you to question my methods?! A 'Puritan' is simply a coward who hides behind a veil of pretended faith and denounces his loyal brother as a traitor out of simple jealousy!" - Inquisitor Odion

11-06-2007	#3 (permalink)
Luisjoey Trooper Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Caracas / Venezuela Posts: 186 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 42 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	thank you a lot friend! I didn´t knew i could do 3X3 formation... seems like a nice trick to me. I have empire army and no single swordmen but a unit of halbediers. __________________ I serve the God Emperor! Visit Calabozo Criollo Forums Venezuelan site for RPG and Miniatures

11-06-2007	#5 (permalink)
Luisjoey Trooper Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Caracas / Venezuela Posts: 186 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 42 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	yes! thats true! you field almost 10 guys but save some space that always is needed __________________ I serve the God Emperor! Visit Calabozo Criollo Forums Venezuelan site for RPG and Miniatures

11-06-2007	#6 (permalink)
Sir James Bloodfang Trooper Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Belfast/Maghera(Northern Ireland) Posts: 129 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 4 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Like Experiment 626 said they make great detachments. I wouldn't use them any other way myself. __________________ "Three things make The Empire great – faith, steel and gunpowder!" - Magnus the Pious

03-13-2008	#7 (permalink)
Brother_Ambrose Corporal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: GTA, Ontario, Canada Posts: 253 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: Empire Halbediers, Useless? swords or free company make better detachments... I guess you know who voted for useless...lol __________________

03-13-2008	#9 (permalink)
Imperial Commander Gent Your Local Ori Prior Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: According to some I dont actually exist, or I am not a real person! Posts: 883 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 91 Thanked 31 Times in 28 Posts	Re: Empire Halbediers, Useless? I will heartily agree that halbadiers do make horrible parent units, but when used as a detachment, they tend to be much more useful. The best parent units that the empire has are the swordsmen and the spearmen, though Handgunners as parent units with free company or archer screens make them a very effective unit! __________________ Hallowed are the Ori. Hallowed are the children of the Ori. Hallowed are we; hallowed are the Ori. Those who seek the path to enlightenment must not be led astray! Believe in the truth of all things and you too may find the path to enlightenment. Those who stray must be guided back to the path. Those who abandon the path are evil. Those who reject the path to enlightenment, must be destroyed. Enemies of the Ori show no mercy in their attempts to draw believers away from the path

03-13-2008	#10 (permalink)
Luisjoey Trooper Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Caracas / Venezuela Posts: 186 Rep Power: 1 Thanks: 42 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Empire Halbediers, Useless? until they are charged XD __________________ I serve the God Emperor! Visit Calabozo Criollo Forums Venezuelan site for RPG and Miniatures

03-14-2008	#11 (permalink)
Imperial Commander Gent Your Local Ori Prior Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: According to some I dont actually exist, or I am not a real person! Posts: 883 Rep Power: 2 Thanks: 91 Thanked 31 Times in 28 Posts	Re: Empire Halbediers, Useless? Let them charge so that I can stand and fire hand guns and flank charge them with free company who will be striking first! __________________ Hallowed are the Ori. Hallowed are the children of the Ori. Hallowed are we; hallowed are the Ori. Those who seek the path to enlightenment must not be led astray! Believe in the truth of all things and you too may find the path to enlightenment. Those who stray must be guided back to the path. Those who abandon the path are evil. Those who reject the path to enlightenment, must be destroyed. Enemies of the Ori show no mercy in their attempts to draw believers away from the path

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